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01 Sep 2026 17:48:48
I think it's fair to look/ask for a win tonight if we're believing we have the same manager/same form from last season.
We've got points on the board now and whilst I'm not saying we need to go on a winning streak, the old loss/draw here/there will happen, we should be looking to win games home and away, back to to back, to show we have that consistency that we had last season. A win tonight and a win at the wknd, with the new boys looking good on the ball will help me come round more to Tonda.
Here's hoping ?
25 May 2026 14:41:02
Any suggestions about moving forward, other than sack everyone?
My main thought is that if Tonda isn't kept on that we go aggressively after Danny Rohl.
That got me thinking though. He too is a young German manager, coincidentally he was also at RB Leipzig around the same time that Tonda was. Without going too far down the rabbit hole, does anyone think the spying could be systemic through the majority of young German managers that work abroad? I.e. that it's not frowned upon where they come from which leads them to employ an untapped resource/advantage that other national coaches aren't doing? I'd hope the EFL/FA aren't stupid enough to just go hardcore on us and then forget the whole thing. Hopefully they use this and spend the time going forward looking for similar scenarios.
With that being said though, my plan for going forward would be -
Scenario A) Tonda is kept on. Him and the board have a massive indepth talk about how he will face the questions and scrutiny from press/fans and wether he can handle it. It's plausible that all the spying he did, deep down he didn't need to and perhaps there is one hell of a redemption story waiting to be told. If he truly thinks he can achieve what he has here WITHOUT the spying, then let him stay on. My only concern is that he did seem to rely heavily on the spying (multiple occurrences/forcing people to do it ect)
Or
Scenario B) The board is replaced, Tonda goes and we go get Danny Rohl/The board stays on, Tonda goes and we go get Danny Rohl.
I prefer scenario B as it's the cleanest cut away from what's happened, but the likelihood of it happening is low and why it's my second choice.
I know the obvious solution is just to sack everyone involved but we have to seriously acknowledge the track history of staff signings under them. Unless the board are going to go (unlikely) we have to roll up our sleeves and work with what solutions we have.
I don't buy into this whole "never supporting my team again" ect as it's largely individuals that carry out actions. Individuals come and go but the club remains. On top of that as I always say, fans piss and moan when times are bad (rightly so this time) and sing when they're winning. Hopefully when the dust settles, we get back to some form we were on last season, I think fans will find it hard to be mad/not support a club who's winning.
Scienza was always going to go regardless. Priority for next season is having a decent keeper, Petetz/Ramsdale. I'm quietly optimistic about Petetz coming back as one thing he definitely wants is to be a regular no1 and he knows how much he's liked relied upon here. Secondly keeping hold of Ross Stewart, his injury history is the one golden thread that might keep other clubs at bay and have him resign with us.
The backbone of the club is a decent keeper and strong/physical/clinical striker. If we can keep that, wholesomely address this spying nonsense then we can push for a 6th place finish next season and hopefully doing the playoffs again, the right way.
1.) 25 May 2026 16:20:29
B isn't an option as Rohl is manager of Rangers.
2.) 25 May 2026 19:21:31
Hence my phrasing "aggressively" go after him.
3.) 26 May 2026 17:35:01
TBF, I'd stick with Tonda, keep everyone we can and go and watch every other team we play up to the 72 hr cut off point(apparently spying isn't even illegal in the Prem). Make it absolutely blatantly obvious, it'll force them to put fences up like they should have and will ensure they only get 3 sessions at most to work on tactics against us. Let them whine, everyone in professional sports cheats if they can, when money is involved it's business. By doing all of this it'll kill off the other teams supporters, they won't get the advantage they thought they would. As for Pompey, I'm sure they'd have preferred the cheating charge to the nonce from Chelsea they had on their coaching staff(correct me if I'm wrong on that).
Anyway, yeah I'd love to see Ross and Cyle on board and obviously Peretz. Not bothered about Charles, but the other 3 central midfielders show up every game. 100% keep Bree. Would try to get Targett back at the right price and deal. Try to turn Archer into a left sided winger type. Harwood Bellis will probably go or might be angry and have a point to prove.
As for the cheating, I see worse on the pitch every week and it definitely has more influence on the outcome of games than watching another team train.
Onward and sod the whiners.
4.) 29 May 2026 23:39:48
Ah ok . Option 3 could be going aggressively going after pep.
Rohl is manager of Rangers, therefore not an option for us unless that changes first.
5.) 30 May 2026 14:11:48
No Saintsggg because rangers aren't Man City and Rohl isn't Pep.
Rangers literally hired the man who helped relegate us and who you all said was completely useless, in case you need any context of their football standing.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be a challenge but Rohl has history with us/ he knows the club/area and the quality of Scottish football isn't any different to the championship.
Rohl is on the way to being a top manager, it won't be long before the big time comes for him. We have a small window and vague chance of getting him before then, if we go all out.
IF the Tonda thing doesn't resolve itself.
6.) 31 May 2026 00:23:14
We don't have any chance of taking Rohl whilst he is in situ at Rangers.
If we are going to quote the last, I think the last time a manager left a rangers for England it was for Premier League Aston Villa
7.) 31 May 2026 12:23:19
There should be no other choice than Tonda
The players love him
The fans love him
The fans love the way he had us playing
There is one among us that believes the cheating had considerable impact on our season
the rest of us do not think like that
If the manager watched every single team team 73 hours before we played them
We would all say well done
Just think about it
The only league in the world with this rule
So it is an accepted part of football throughout the world except for. the EFL
I will say it again
I think the players will rally together to prove to the football world how good we are
8.) 31 May 2026 14:18:35
You truly have blinders on Southants.
I've given valid points and so has this spying stuff to suggest that the way Tonda had us playing last season is not down to his tactical genius.
Now keep up though because what I HAVEN'T said is that Tonda isn't the man.
There has been some mentioning/anger here and other places towards the radio silence from the club regarding Tonda.
I for one am delighted at the silence as for once it might actually seem their taking their time to assess wether Tonda can take us forward, particularly without the aforementioned methods.
You have blinders on because you think if Tonda stays then we just pick up where we left off, we don't.
He first has to get past the hurdle I was referring to all last season, of rebuilding a team with as good quality, if not better, to the one we had this season. Payers are leaving, that's for sure.
Secondly me, nor you nor anyone, except those involved know the extent to which Tonda was reliant on cheating to achieve what he did. This is something that will hopefully come to light during this radio silence from the board and further on, if he stays.
I'm hoping Tonda is the man but you have take the blinders off and face reality.
9.) 31 May 2026 19:32:52
I am fully aware that you think Tonda should stay,
But just like your obsession before with Martin and then still, you are obsessed that de spying is the reason we did so well
You have given no valid reasons to support that
To suggest his spying is the key to his success is without any proof
The fact that you are able to watch opponent play anywhere in the world says it's an acceptable part of football, that is a fact
The fact that you can watch your opponent 73 hours before a game, but not 72 hours before a game make it a crazy
The fact that top European clubs are interested in him plus a background with the German national side and Bayern Munich speaks volumes
Well without sounding rude, you are obsessed with the fact this spying proves Tonda is not as good as we all think he is
He is a remarkable young manager, albeit naive
He has got players playing way better than previous managers
He does something the other managers for years have failed to do, just tactics based on adjustments in opponents tactics
You need to clear your mind of this matter
He has to stay and him and the players will be determined to wrong the scandalous decision
10.) 01 Jun 2026 13:45:33
You've still got you're blinders on pal.
All those things you mention can be attributed to spying.
Sure an hours difference, 73 and you're not in trouble.so why didn't Tonda do that ?
He had constant pushback from the people who he was asking to do the spying, to the point he had to bully them into it. That on its own suggests he wanted an advantage. Bullying young interns into damaging their future careers isn't what makes a manager remarkable.
Cheating is only not cheating when the opponents have the same data/advantage you do. We saw this in the Middlesbourgh game. As soon as they found out what we were up to our advantage was blown and they very nearly wiped the floor with us.
It's not 'big clubs' either that want him, I've read the articles as well, it's just mid/low range clubs in Germany where such tactics are less punished. Though I doubt where the advantage would be in employing it in a league where everyone is doing it and that's my point.
We caught other teams off guard, with their pants down. Wether it should be allowed/whether it's ethical is besides the point. The teams we were competing with WEREN'T doing it and it was that factor that gave us the edge in what likely will he found to be the majority of matches under Tonda.
I'm happy for him to stay on, most importantly to watch them blinders slip from your face, because although I want him to be the man, all the points I've made suggest he isn't.
11.) 02 Jun 2026 17:24:52
@southantsrich .I totally agree.
@leslee .Sounds like you will struggle supporting the team next season.
12.) 04 Jun 2026 15:23:02
I smell fish
23 May 2026 16:02:00
The EFL have released the whole of the disciplinary commission's hearing. There's a link within this link (bottom of post) you can click on to view it all. I read it all and here's the bullet points if you can't be bothered reading it -
We initially lied/misled the EFL by telling them no video footage was recorded, shared or analysed, than later admitted that wasn't true (Perhaps the Board really didn't know or they were trying to cover up/get out if it? )
They found that the intern (Who must have been William Salt) was the person involved in spying at Oxford United and Middlesbourgh, importantly however, he declined to be involved in the Ipswhich spying. Highlighting the pressure and potential bullying he was under - to refuse to go to Ipswhich, then later turn up and do it at Middlesbourgh. Of the 3 charges/sanctions we were given, No. 3 is a reprimand for this direct behavior - the treating of those in a vulnerable position in such a way.
Tonda was instrumental in the whole thing, forcing people to do things. Asking specifically what he wanted and being unimpressed at some of the footage/information he received. The commission said we had a "contrived and determined plan from the top down to gain a competitive advantage"
They (the disciplinary commission) DID agree that no sporting advantage came from the incidents of spying they aware of. However they later go on to say that there is no correlation between those losses and the spying, that the reason and intentions for spying WAS to gain an advantage, regardless of outcome. That evidence such as asking for specific players injury status and team selection feeds directly into forming the strategy for any upcoming match.
A financial penalty would be meaningless in regards to that instead of expulsion from the playoffs as any promotion to the premiere league, financially, would offset that. Furthermore if that precedent was set it would incline other teams to cheat in a similar way as it meant the risk of a financial penalty would be paid for by the thing the team is trying to achieve.
Disciplinary commission said one major factor in deciding the severity of sanction was our complete disregard for regulation 127 (72 hour no observation window) and 'unimpressed' at our defence in saying we were unaware, that we were an EFL team and regulated and bound by it's rules. (There are reports around saying obviously Will Still would have received these laws when he came to the club, but apparently when Tonda took over her didn't. Whilst that may be true, 100% as time went on regarding what he was doing he would have been made aware)
Commission Statement
03 Feb 2026 13:44:14
I'm not too worried about the loss of AA.
Yes he's immense in the championship but completely the opposite in the premier league and ultimately that's where we want to be.
Obviously keeping him to help get promoted would have been key but theirs an argument for getting the best value for him when he's showing the beat form he's capable of. With that in mind however I think we could have got double what we did for him, because in the right team/style your guaranteed championship goals from him .just not premier league ones. I hope wolves weren't hoping he'd save thier season.
Stewart is an instant fix, replacement and upgrade if you ask me .only if he stays fit though obviously.
Watched some videos on Larin and one thing he does seem to have is phsyciality about him. Something we haven't had in a while.
I was hoping Archer would be sent packing because unlike AA he can't even perform at this level, so hopefully Tonda won't be looking to rely on him.
Overall it's still looking like mid table.
I should start selling crystal balls.
1.) 03 Feb 2026 18:37:46
I don’t think we want to go back up this year. Even less experienced manager, scars of being battered every week, and knowing we’d have to spend a lot to have a chance at staying up. Recent yo-yo teams like West Brom, Norwich, Sheff Utd are all struggling, maybe a year out will do us good. Though it is absolutely no guarantee we go up next year.
We’ve got rid of some high earners, got some money in, and made a few low risk loan signings. In an ideal world we finish in the top 10 and look competitive.
I know it’s varied wildly in the last few weeks between going down, going up, play-offs and obscurity, but recent form of other teams and our lack of movement makes obscurity the likely result. 12 points ensures safety, and we have a kind run over the next month which I think ensures that.
We then hopefully have a strong base for summer. Get rid of McCarthy, THB, Stephens, Downes, Edozie, Downs, Archer, Bazunu, Brereton (total £60m? ) then it’s just a total reliance on the ability of the board to get good players in. Of which there is a slim chance.
21 Jan 2026 14:54:56
Adam Armstrong apparently considering moving on/wanting out this transfer window.
As a player this doesn't concern me and he's currently in the right league where we are able to get maximum value for him.
It's just selling him doesn't feel me with confidence like it should .by that I mean what do we even do with the money/player we bring in if the board/manager situation stays the same.
Ideally I'd want the money to go towards a new manager or board but I don't think things work that way.
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27 Aug 2026 18:45:04
JWP closer to returning, I for one hope he does. I know all his downfalls and as a basic midfielder he doesn't offer us much BUT if I'm Tonda I'm hoping/thinking I'm bringing him in for one reason, to recreate the dead ball magic he had for us the season right before he left. Deadball skills decline slower than fitness/general ability so provided he's be keeping at it, we should have a player with a skill set no one else in the league has.
For me that's 100% beneficial to the team and worthy of taking someone's place on midfield. Or even bring him on late in the game. I 100% welcome and want him back
1.) 27 Aug 2026 19:02:01
Brilliant signing. He will be the new team captain with Stephens becoming club captain.
Less than a million quid! He's obviously taken a massive pay cut! I think he's come back to help the club and prove all his doubters wrong.
True club legend who should command the respect of all Saints fans.
2.) 28 Aug 2026 13:01:57
Done deal ?.
It's a fantastic bit of business whatever way you look at at. He essentially went on loam for a few years and West Ham paid us 30 Million for the privilege.
Yet to be seen wether it can recreate the form but I don't feel like we've lost anything in this deal.
If he turns out to be another failed return we just look again in winter, but as I say, dead ball. skills are something rarely lost. I'm looking forward to us putting in decent corners, crosses and hopefully a few special free kicks.
3.) 28 Aug 2026 19:12:28
Wow! .
Just Wow!
Good post Leslee (I literally can't believe there is no dig at the club or manager)
Completely agree it is good business and pleased to see him back.
4.) 28 Aug 2026 22:16:30
I'm not convinced this is a good move but happy to be proved wrong, I feel you should always look forward and not back in the past!
5.) 28 Aug 2026 23:12:32
From a business perspective, I think it's tremendous business.
I share Sainty76's reservations about how much impact he will have though, and like him, I would be only too happy to be proved wrong.
For me, JWP is most effective when playing higher up the pitch and Southgate recognised that when he played in the England team. When he's playing in his normal deeper role he is pedestrian.
Our team needs pace and purpose and I don't think that will come from JWP and Downes in midfield.
Anyway, I'm glad this bit of business has lightened the mood for the majority of fans.
I'm also hoping the German defender we've signed will spell the end of Stephens.
Looking forward to Milwall - should be a cracking game.
6.) 29 Aug 2026 10:41:52
He's got a point to prove and he's got a really good engine. He and Azaz see passes no other Saints player see.
As previously stated, JWP can play the 10 role if Azaz gets injured or tired.
Would love to see Peretz Bree Wood Shlotterback Manning then Downes Jander Then Azaz and JWP then Scienza and Larin in a 4-2-2-2. Forget this obsession with wingers and one dimensional crossing.
26 Aug 2026 01:51:14
Hate to say it but the cracks are definitely starting to show.
My version was that the spying played more than we let on. Either way, last three games we definitely haven't carried the 'momentum' on from last season.
1.) 26 Aug 2026 05:03:54
Patience is beginning to fray around the edges! It's not too dissimilar to shopping at Woolworths when realistically they should be looking in Harrods! Selling an ace Midfielder for 30 million and looking for a replacement in the region of 6-10 million.(perhaps we could all be pleasantly surprised) if you still believe in Father Christmas! Stephens given extended opportunities and still proving to be a calamity.Peretz had a poor game and perhaps we should not be in a hurry to let Ramsdale go just yet.Just 5 days left in this window to make some serious adjustments (about 4/5 quality players I would suggest to lift the recent under performance).See what happens-but failure to address this noticeable slide and it could result in putting further pressure on the Manager's tenure
2.) 26 Aug 2026 06:59:32
Well I did say will be interesting to see how we get on against West Ham. The answer was there for all to see, we are a championship club I am afraid, championship players. If we did fluke are way to the premiership we are going to get hammered every week ( excuse the pun ) whoever the manager is will make no difference, we are just not good enough.
We need additions but I don't see any 20 million signings on the horizon. Another prediction, we are going to lose to Millwall.
3.) 26 Aug 2026 07:36:49
To spy or not to spy, that is the question.
However it played no part in last nights game as the problem was how we played not the opponents. WHU was mostly a bunch of youngsters, full of fire and desire.
Meanwhile we are stroking the ball around at the back, playing suicidal passes across WHU players, strolling around the pitch,
Aziz made a difference to the tempo of the game, wanted to move it quickly and with purpose. meanwhile.
ball watching was the norm.
Not tracking your man!
After Edozie lost the ball for the 4th, he just turned and ambled towards the box.
4.) 26 Aug 2026 12:19:48
Well, yea it played everything tondo with it IF the absence of it is what is leading to these sub-par performances compared to last season.
It's still early season and time for things to turn around but I was being called a mad man last season for suggesting Tondas prowess was simply having the upper edge going into games, he doesn't have that now and looks where we are, coincidence ?
5.) 26 Aug 2026 16:57:21
It's going to be a long season every negative result will result in more drivel. He does know we lost last season as well right?
He knows we didn't win the games that we have been proven to spy on?
6.) 27 Aug 2026 10:06:14
Charles was not first choice in our best 11. Jander and Downes were the first two names for centre midfield and Bragg played in the cup games, Charles was on the bench for all of those games.
JWP is exactly who we need! Sort our set pieces out, replace Stephens as captain.
Why oh why we didn't sign Adam Webster is a total mystery to me as he would have been an upgrade on Stephens.
Stephens is a good bench player because he can cover all 4 defensive positions and the defensive midfield role.
Hope Schlotterbeck can pass the ball through the channels because if THB leaves none of our CBs has that ability.
7.) 27 Aug 2026 18:40:16
I'm not saying they won't SaintGGG but this same 'drivel' talk you mentioned is similar to what you said when I said how this season would potentially go because of the spying. No one seems to look at the elephant in the room, that the spying played a huge integral part to everything Tonda achieved last season, just because we admitted to a couple of games doesn't mean that's all there was.
Like I've said all along I've given him the benefit of doubt and I'm hoping I'm wrong, I said I would put my hand up an say so. You guys just can't seem to handle i might be right, like I have been before.
It is what it is though, still early to tell either way.
8.) 02 Sep 2026 08:08:29
Skate
07 Aug 2026 12:55:21
I'll be first to put hand up and say Lewis Dobbin looks a real talent especially for the championship, so we'll don't Tonda/team for that.
I said I would judge him this season on performances and signings and so far that's a decent one.
Shea looks like it's a done deal as contracts have been signed and he's off to Fulham. Gutted about that, was a start player for us, with even getting the game time he deserved.
Hard to know wether we can replace him.
Scienza looks like he's open to a move, hopefully it's the Christmas window if he does and not a last minute one now.
All in all if we can find like for like in Shea and Stewart then I'll be happy and providing Tonda has the team playing the way we did last season (to show it wasn't down to spying)
. Then Ill slowly convert.
Ready for the new season now ?
1.) 08 Aug 2026 16:04:02
Hi Lesleee, yes and so another season starts, I think promotion will be more difficult than last season with the 3 relegated teams plus a few others strengthening. Plus the 4 points deduction is not going to help. We definitely need a decent striker to share the load, certainly don't have a back up in the ranks at the moment. Let's see what today brings.
2.) 09 Aug 2026 04:23:00
Wolves changing manager is good in my opinion. Play offs for me with current squad
23 Jun 2026 22:16:10
Bring back Gareth Southgate.
1.) 16 Jul 2026 05:10:12
Well done to England's heroic Players' for reaching the semi-finals following some difficult games throughout. the tournament.However they were completely undone by Thomas Tuchel's decision in the last quarter by withdrawing his attack plan by introducing more defenders in lieu thus encouraging and allowing the likes of Messi Alveraz etc.to advance further forward and become more lethal around the penalty area without the threat of counter attacks.
I suppose at this level the Management cream rises to the top as Tuchel was completely outsmarted by Argentine Coach Lionel Sculoni regarding substitutions and consequently the possible result.Let's hope that this blunder Wii be a future lesson learned for Tonda Eckert watching on. Keep On Marching.!
2.) 16 Jul 2026 10:26:51
I agree St John.
This was my point about Southgate. Tuchel was brought in to get us over the line and succeed in the pressure moments.
Instead he went defensive with 30 minutes still to play. Before that change the game was open and dangerous to both teams, but the choice to defend made the game dangerous only for us.
In one sense it's the same old England. Yet the one massive positive/change is the ongoing one but one that has nothing to do with Tuchel.
For me Southgate will go down as one of the greatest ever England manager simply because he changed the mindset of England players, fans and our ego.
He turned down the pressure and made us more into underdogs, kept the media off the players backs, brought the team together and let them go out there and play football.
With that we've reaped consecutive finals/semi finals against arguably tougher games then we've faced this world cup.
I didn't see much difference between Tuchel and Southgate. All I saw was the legacy Southgate left behind and it's why I said bring him back and never wanted him gone in the first place.
Alas, like how I constantly complain on here about fans over reaction/grass is greener mentality, once gain they get what they ask for.
3.) 23 Jul 2026 12:03:35
Hey lesleee - seems like we're the only two on duty at the moment, perhaps all. of the other posters must be on vacation!
4.) 05 Aug 2026 17:17:45
Is there anybody out there?
5.) 07 Aug 2026 08:05:21
Chopper20. I don't hear or see anybody! Perhaps a storm will happen should news of a new signing or Tonda's predicament eventuate!
13 Jun 2026 14:08:09
Just caught up, thanks for ammunition to use next season ??You best believe I'll have my popcorn on standby.
I'm crazy, a skate, unloyal ?, I'm a Pompey fan, just because I question things.
No, I'm just not a standard terrace mentality fan, who says one thing then piss and moans and cries sack the manager when it all goes wrong. Obviously not SaintHugh/Jar though, because they would never call for a tactical genius to be sacked, right, right?
The only thing I'm guilty of is looking too far ahead, granted. There are only a few people in here that look and see patterns and pitfalls for why we are a yo you club, up and down the leagues.
People here are currently praising and loving our board for backing Tonda. The same board who have put gambling companies after gambling companies on the front of our shirt, the same board who also hired Juric, Jones, Selles, Martin ect, how quickly you forget.
NO ONE here knows the extent to which the cheating was relied upon and just how much actually went on, compared to what the club has disclosed. We DO know interns were forced. Those are facts. So you can't truly claim Tonda is this or that until the performances start coming in next season, which is what I have been saying all along.
Stewart is gone now and unless we replace like for like, we've lost 10+ goals next season, Larins done well and holds the ball up the way I like, but he won't carry us all season
The key signing is Scienza. HE has been the driving force of this team and our performances, not Tonda, or rather not just Tonda. He would have been hard to keep if we went up and now undoubtedly he will go. It will be hard to find a replacement, but if Tonda can, that will go some way to convincing me more of his 'prowess'. Yes there has been other individuals standout performances, but Scienza has been the catalyst for much of what we did last season, not Tonda.
Let's not forget SkateLeslee that Russel Martin also went on a 20+ unbeaten run, so by your own logic RM is also a 'truly talented manager', yet we know that's not the case. Ruben Selles also had all players praising him, I guess he's world class too ? People see only what they want to see.
You all also think because I question Tonda and highlight things that I'm negative about him and want him out. Not at all, I want him to be what you all think he is but he has to prove that and he hasn't yet. Too much of last season can be explained away and its why I don't get naively carried away like you.
There are too many red flags for both him and the board to be completely backing either of them. Next season and how we push on from here is where we should be judging them.
A decent chunk into next season if I'm still arguing against Tonda is when you can call me crazy (if we're doing well), until then, time will tell.
1.) 14 Jun 2026 08:17:09
Yes Scienza was good this season, but let's not forget we have Robinson coming back from injury. He looked like a real prospect before his injury and another season in the championship we only help in his development. It's not all dome and gloom there are some real reasons to be positive, after all we are supposed to be supporters of the club.
2.) 14 Jun 2026 15:49:53
Robinson's ok and has flashes of brilliance, but nowhere near the consistency and talents of Scienza at the moment.
Meaning if Scienza goes, which I definitely think he will, we lose that as Robinson isn't currently at the same level.
Irs not doom and gloom in spreading I'm just giving realistic insights into the 'prowess' behind Tonda.
There have been many variables and things that can be explained away.
It's about maintaining/replacing/replicating or improving upon those variables of Tonda is the man people think he is.
As I've mentioned I'm not convinced he is but we will see going forward.
Scienza, Jander, Shea and Stewart (already gone) are key to what we achieved last season and it doesn't look like they will be here next season.
3.) 14 Jun 2026 16:51:24
Well I'm a glass half full. We still have all of the above minus Stewart. Robinson could prove to be better than Scienza. We still have the same people in place that brought in the above players and Fernandes previously so trust they can do it again.
Sure they made some mistakes but so does every club. I don't know why you brought Tonda up I never mentioned him.
4.) 15 Jun 2026 17:25:09
The fact you will have popcorn ready in response to any Saints Demise, will surely fuel speculation you are a skate or / and disloyal.
I couldn't care less,
Another FACT of course, is what Tonda did do was improve on the 12 points in 13 games that WS managed.
5.) 16 Jun 2026 17:05:31
Damn right I wouldn't sack Tonda, every single club in the top 4 divisions cheats in one way or another. You have zero clue as to the level some players, coaches and managers will go to win and your indignant righteousness doesn't mean a single thing to someone who wants to win. How do you even watch a game with players diving, grabbing and feigning injury, there must be toys everywhere.
The fact Peretz, Larin and Bree have all signed so quickly with glowing praise for Tonda speaks volumes and that's enough for me.
Stewart, well I think he's a bit shortsighted, his career would possibly be over if it wasn't for our back room staff and Tonda nursing him trough the season. He can't even play 90 mins and definitely not twice in a week, put Stewart and Larins stats together and you have a monster. But Stewart wherever he goes will break down as soon as he starts playing 90 mins, he's the loser in this. Bad agent.
Anyway, do try to enjoy the season or not.
6.) 17 Jun 2026 10:57:30
Well said Hugh. All teams cheat in some way or shall we call it bending the rules?
Stewart had to be salary and fitness, wonder if we offered an appearance based 12 month extension?
We need 2 more centre forwards, one at the end of his career and one raw youngster. A experienced number 10 to alternate with Azaz and replacements for whoever leaves.
7.) 17 Jun 2026 22:13:08
Hugh you're talking about something completely different.
That type of cheating, whilst infuriating, goes on in full view.
Whilst big money teams such as Man city who break financial rules will always get away with it, because they will always just throw more money at it.
Money talks. Don't like Man city cheating, maybe don't buy products that supports the Arab Emirates.
Ours was a blatant attempt to know things about the match we were going into.
I'm not sure how you don't see it. I don't really care about the actual doing if it, more of going forward and wether Tonda can perform without it, that's been my point all along.
That you've been praising a guy that you don't know for sure how much he relied upon cheating and now that he can't, will he have the team playing the same.
Scienza, Stewart, Che, Jander all gone too (You'll see) so for me I can't see it being the same
8.) 18 Jun 2026 09:00:15
Get over it and stop using examples of players that at any time would be looked at as being sold for big money. They're good players, if they leave it'll be because of above market valuations and it won't be sideways moves.
When players do sideways moves just to get out, that's a problem.
And Stewart is obviously under the illusion that nobody knows he's 100% injury prone and he's fucked if he gets injured at the World Cup. His agents advice has been very poor.
You just want to create problems and if I had to guess, I'd actually think you're "press" looking for a story or creating a story.
9.) 18 Jun 2026 23:42:12
No, I'm a realist.
Like I've said a few times, a lot of you have blinders on. You're excited Tonda is staying because you think we're going to repeat what we did this season i.e. carry on where we left off.
All I've been doing his highlighting the variables that aren't going to be present next season.
Instead of acknowledging them, you just assume it will all be the same, which means you're also going to piss and moan when things don't go that way ??
10.) 19 Jun 2026 22:10:05
So Leslee if watching the opponent train is cheating, why is it allowed in every league in the world. except the EFL
the EPL signed a deal for television rights allowing open viewing of training sessions, mic'ed up players/coaches, plus real time watching of the dressing rooms
Your obsession with the fact Tonda relies heavily on 'cheating' is just beyond understanding.
Please let's have a sensible answer. not your world looking out from a hole. talk about tunnel vision.
Scouting is prevalent throughout the world. so for instance if Pep declared he has every opponent watched. would you say. 'there you go, that's the reason for his success'.
Just enjoy the way players, fans and owners are getting on board.
We are bored with your drivel, it has no sensible foundation other than obsession with ideas bordering on insanity!
01 Jun 2026 13:45:33
You've still got you're blinders on pal.
All those things you mention can be attributed to spying.
Sure an hours difference, 73 and you're not in trouble.so why didn't Tonda do that ?
He had constant pushback from the people who he was asking to do the spying, to the point he had to bully them into it. That on its own suggests he wanted an advantage. Bullying young interns into damaging their future careers isn't what makes a manager remarkable.
Cheating is only not cheating when the opponents have the same data/advantage you do. We saw this in the Middlesbourgh game. As soon as they found out what we were up to our advantage was blown and they very nearly wiped the floor with us.
It's not 'big clubs' either that want him, I've read the articles as well, it's just mid/low range clubs in Germany where such tactics are less punished. Though I doubt where the advantage would be in employing it in a league where everyone is doing it and that's my point.
We caught other teams off guard, with their pants down. Wether it should be allowed/whether it's ethical is besides the point. The teams we were competing with WEREN'T doing it and it was that factor that gave us the edge in what likely will he found to be the majority of matches under Tonda.
I'm happy for him to stay on, most importantly to watch them blinders slip from your face, because although I want him to be the man, all the points I've made suggest he isn't.
31 May 2026 14:18:35
You truly have blinders on Southants.
I've given valid points and so has this spying stuff to suggest that the way Tonda had us playing last season is not down to his tactical genius.
Now keep up though because what I HAVEN'T said is that Tonda isn't the man.
There has been some mentioning/anger here and other places towards the radio silence from the club regarding Tonda.
I for one am delighted at the silence as for once it might actually seem their taking their time to assess wether Tonda can take us forward, particularly without the aforementioned methods.
You have blinders on because you think if Tonda stays then we just pick up where we left off, we don't.
He first has to get past the hurdle I was referring to all last season, of rebuilding a team with as good quality, if not better, to the one we had this season. Payers are leaving, that's for sure.
Secondly me, nor you nor anyone, except those involved know the extent to which Tonda was reliant on cheating to achieve what he did. This is something that will hopefully come to light during this radio silence from the board and further on, if he stays.
I'm hoping Tonda is the man but you have take the blinders off and face reality.
30 May 2026 14:11:48
No Saintsggg because rangers aren't Man City and Rohl isn't Pep.
Rangers literally hired the man who helped relegate us and who you all said was completely useless, in case you need any context of their football standing.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be a challenge but Rohl has history with us/ he knows the club/area and the quality of Scottish football isn't any different to the championship.
Rohl is on the way to being a top manager, it won't be long before the big time comes for him. We have a small window and vague chance of getting him before then, if we go all out.
IF the Tonda thing doesn't resolve itself.
25 May 2026 19:21:31
Hence my phrasing "aggressively" go after him.
16 May 2026 12:29:33
I suppose it would rely on wether we spied on anyone on our run to the final, apparently there are reports we did for fulham.
28 Aug 2026 13:01:57
Done deal ?.
It's a fantastic bit of business whatever way you look at at. He essentially went on loam for a few years and West Ham paid us 30 Million for the privilege.
Yet to be seen wether it can recreate the form but I don't feel like we've lost anything in this deal.
If he turns out to be another failed return we just look again in winter, but as I say, dead ball. skills are something rarely lost. I'm looking forward to us putting in decent corners, crosses and hopefully a few special free kicks.
27 Aug 2026 18:40:16
I'm not saying they won't SaintGGG but this same 'drivel' talk you mentioned is similar to what you said when I said how this season would potentially go because of the spying. No one seems to look at the elephant in the room, that the spying played a huge integral part to everything Tonda achieved last season, just because we admitted to a couple of games doesn't mean that's all there was.
Like I've said all along I've given him the benefit of doubt and I'm hoping I'm wrong, I said I would put my hand up an say so. You guys just can't seem to handle i might be right, like I have been before.
It is what it is though, still early to tell either way.
26 Aug 2026 12:19:48
Well, yea it played everything tondo with it IF the absence of it is what is leading to these sub-par performances compared to last season.
It's still early season and time for things to turn around but I was being called a mad man last season for suggesting Tondas prowess was simply having the upper edge going into games, he doesn't have that now and looks where we are, coincidence ?
22 Aug 2026 02:53:57
Agree/Disagree Miller. Agree that sick of talking about it, but also it's a prevalent/dominant thing of this season.
Watford mascot and fans were mocking us so you know if they know the Watford training team left no stone unturned. I think this will be the basis for most of the season, I can't see it last for more than a season, but every new team, at least the first game we play this season will have fire in their bellies against us and like I said any Management team would be useless if they haven't learnt from the way we played yesterday, especially now a lot of Tondas training/planning methods are out in the open.
I'm hoping the cat isn't out the bag and even a loss tomorrow/today won't change that but if we lose tomorrow it's about how we lose. we need to start seeing some resemblance of the team we were under him.
21 Aug 2026 00:07:02
I hate (love to) be that guy but one match in, it does seem like it's panning out the way I suggestedasr season and was berated for.
It's not that we lost, it's that there was nothing there from last season in this game. Before kick of the saints PR team was all about momentum momentum momentum, but there wasn't anything of what was catching peoples eyes last season in that game.
Sure it's just one game and I'm not putting anything on it. We have 4 home game in a row now I believe, I think after those 4 games we can begin to take stock. Home games give us the chance to do things the way we want, home fans ect.
My point last season was that there was a lot more spying going on then which was acknowledged and wether we/Tonda would be different this season without it. Definitely against Watford we were a different team.
So let's see how we get on with these home games.