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22 Sep 2025 11:02:14
Ah, now saint's ggg, you're twisting what I said ?
I did argue a case for keep RM after last year's dismissal season BUT I said it would come with some caveats. The main one being that the club spend the time were working on promotion back to the premiership to find the right manager we need to take us forward .and whenever that man is found not to hesitate or spare RMs blushes.
That is because just like players some mangers are suited to certain leagues/levels so too are managers. Whilst RM wouldn't have been a popular choice he would be back in a league with players he knew playing a style that is more forgiving in the championship. Even as stubborn as he is he would have learned a few things and I do feel we would have been up with the leading pack again.
Instead we have a new manager now, that has to go through the whole process of wether he feels the players he has can make it in the championship.whereas RM would have the players he knew and the ones who were the stars of the promotion the year before. I mean RM finally realised what I said all along about Bazuna and yet it seems like Still is going to waste the whole season conceeding goals until he figures out the same thing, Bazuna doesn't cut it.
One of the endless criticisms of RM was that he was stubborn and not change things and now we have a manager the opposite of that and yet ?. When Will Stills name was being touted alongside Danny Rohls I didn't see much rejection and I saw a lot of people saying we've finally got a proper manager and yet the results have yet to come.
My point is a manger people didn't like DID get us promotion, whereas Still were unsure of. I do think Still will (pun) be decent enough but wether he's the massive turnaround everyone was hoping for I'm not sure.
I remember Guernsey boy saying things couldn't get any worse once upon a time, he's no longer around suprise suprise, but I said at the time they most definitely can and in sacking RM I forecast a foreseeable future as mid championship at best. My point of RM was that at least we'd get back to the premiership, than we could sack him.
As you're aware I said that many months back, but here's an article in SaintsMarching today saying pretty much the same thing.
1.) 23 Sep 2025 16:08:17
Erm, if this is in reference to a comment on another thread then all I said was you mentioned that Martin would guarantee promotion. You did mention this, so no twisting here .
Why would he? We were promoted in spite of Martin, not because of him. He has one promotion on his CV I believe, of a side that should be challenging for automatic promotion and finished 4th.
I also said he is probably better than Still and Juric but he (Martin) certainly wouldn’t guarantee anything except boredom.
2.) 24 Sep 2025 10:06:45
There's never a guarantee to anything, but yes I undoubtedly said he was our best foreseeable chance of getting promoted straight away . Not because I liked him or thought he was a decent manager, simply because he did previously despite that and with the same team. He knew the players and league. The same way I knew Juric was a bad choice for being sacked by the same team 3 times. Instead we've rolled the dice with still and despite you guys thinking I'm crazy/obtuse I posted the link to show others say the same thing now.months after I initially predicted it ?
RM is out of his depths in a lot of areas but if immediate return to premier league is what we wanted whilst spending the time looking for a long term manager whilst doing so, like I say it would have been worth keeping hold of RM for that singular purpose
15 Sep 2024 13:42:45
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12 May 2024 20:48:11
Positives from today is; well for mez its all positive. Mainly because I didn't/don't think we'd win the playoffs and at the moment we're still in a good position .and second positive is whatever were feeling after the result today all the fans of the other 3 teams will be feeling the same as results were same for everyone across the board. We can't be critical if everyone did the same thing. Friday is a fresh start.
1.) 13 May 2024 16:20:27
Completely agree. An away draw is a reasonable result and we should be confident playing at home on Friday.
I watchd the Leeds game highlights on their YouTube channel and it was interesting to read their fans believing they will bottle the playoffs.
So nobody is blowing anybody away and we have a very good chance.
13 Apr 2024 21:44:50
I'm all for the positivity and believe me I am trying lol but I'm still not optimistic about automatic.
Yes it is technically possible again now but we've been riding our luck too hard to get where we are right now. The teams above us have all dropped massive points but we having capitalized on that nearly enough.
The main factor will be when we face them. They're away games and Leicester and Leeds will both up their games and show their promotion form when playing against us. When it comes to ruthlessness and not conceeding when it matters I can't honestly say we've got it in us. Maybe if we start playing Lumley.
I'm going to be positive though, go with the flow and hope for the fairytale lol . Here's hoping for automatic ?
18 Aug 2023 12:14:00
If we let Che Adams go then we're showing no desire/ambition to return to the premier league. I get the majority of the other exits, big value players and fringe players. Che though isn't either. He's definitely class and that's why people are bidding for him obviously but he's a player the club SHOULD be able to keep hold of.
He's a proven goal scorer, even more so in this league and goals are part of the recipe you need for success. The valuation I'm hearing at 10M for him too is ridiculous. I don't rate Adam Armstrong (recent goals were penalties) .and any replacement for Che would be looking to cover the goals he would have certainly got us and there's no guarantee the replacement will .it's madness.
With all this outgoings as well we fans have to be aware that the club is a business. The new owners bought the club for whatever sum of money, the sell of players/assets covers their expenditure whilst netting them a tidy profit. As a business they've just made some nice money, so there's always the possibility that we're here to languish in the championship now whilst our former team is stripped for parts.
1.) 19 Aug 2023 20:55:38
The skill that Adams has is intelligence . he has the Danny Ings/lambert ability to hold and then move into space space at the last moment .
makes him impossible to play, IF our players anticipate his movement .
Three pure poachers goals in three games!
Tella has two great feet, knows where the goal is, bags of confidence!
Adam A . not an intelligent player, hasn’t progressed as a player . love to see Dom Ballard being given a chance over AA
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05 Nov 2025 17:25:40
Ross Stewart didn't get injured and Will Still would still be here.
If fans could understand those fine margins, he'd still be here.
No, I'm not crying or necessarily care that he's gone, just that now the board have made another snap judgement call because they seem to bend to the boos/toxic percentage of our fan base.
They should have done this a few weeks earlier when there was a chance of getting Rohl as for I can see he is the only one with the credentials, alas that ship has sailed.
This all started with the sacking of Ralph and nearly went full circle if thoughts of him returning are to be believed. At the least it points to the fact I said all along, he shouldn't have gone. Even further to the point where you all called me mad about a possible Russel Martin return. Whilst its too late for RM I do believe my point where you thought I was bonkers was true .that he would have got us promotion. Some people are just good at certain things and awful at others. Like or not he got us promoted and most of that team is still here. and no I don't love him, it just is what it is.
Now though we're back on the clown carasosel to see where it takes us. I can only think of Carrick as a choice, just because of championship experience. But I maintain the board should always have been scouting the right man in the background for a long time and not some snap decision job.
I hope though as I always do that these things humble us fans, but I think we're cary on believing were top tier premier League quality forever.
1.) 06 Nov 2025 09:16:04
Carrick is probably the realistic, less divisive and experienced championship choice. But when did we ever go for that!
RM's style will only ever get us so far and players seem stuck in it. So, depends on our ambition.
I also suspect some players are running the show behind the scenes. Anybody who pushes for fitness or is no nonsense gets moved on. Then wonder why favourites get picked and we lose from winning positions.
2.) 06 Nov 2025 09:28:50
Still did not have a clue… he was simply the wrong man for the job.
His team selection, formation, tactics, substitutions. we’re not good enough.
And he wasn’t improving
3.) 08 Nov 2025 14:08:31
Leslee and everyone who thinks it’s midfield and attack which is hindering us . We need sort out centre half’s! Wry nearly the worst side in premiership history, last season Bellis and Stephans were a disgrace, it took boy Still half a dozen games to realise the issue and dropped them both for cup game at a field .
He played same defence at Sheffield Utd, ok Quasie prob at fault for goals in both games . But it takes 5 mins to see they (woods also ) are light years ahead of of stephans and Bellis . If we can’t keep a clean sheet then we can’t win 1-0.
To say Boy still wouldn’t loose job because of Ross Stewart is a fair mush point as he was our focal point with 2 nippy smaller players either side up top .then again the ball boys have more touches of ball than him during any season! Still played Bellis at Bristol and he was shocking!
A gutless and a disgrace of a performance, then next game at Blackburn drops him but brings on stephans on 65mins to hold onto a lead in a game where Blackburn posed no obvious threat . IMO this is why he lost his job, trusting defenders that nearly made us worst team in history.
Don’t think we ever had such a worse cb pairing! Traditionally when new managers come in they improve things from the back including gk, but he many managers now have we had recently that take this on board?
25 Oct 2025 12:52:28
Ralph was sacked due to results/pressure from the fans. At his best he had an assistant in Danny Rohl.
We went from Ralph to Jones who was abysmal. To Selles, Martin Juric and now Still.
Danny who was most likely everyones top tier choice is now at rangers and just lost his first game.
Now when both Jones and Juric were managing us it was hard to believe how these guys had ever been employed at a football club, yet here's Jones currently high above us in the championship with Charlton having gained promotion from league 1 and Juric up towards the top of the table in Seria A.
Things have gone full circle.
I live in Bristol these days and Bristol are on the up so for me I never saw us winning that game, so I take zero negativity out of losing. Today's game however, is more the game is our remits that we should currently be looking to win, even without a decent presence up front or goal.
You all thought I was in love with RM and the notion of keeping him for championship promotion and yet Jones and Juric are showing you can be totally shocking at one thing but great at other things.
People are upset because we're losing (fair enough) yet they have everything they wanted from still (apart from results) that they were crying out for from RM .and they're still not happy.
I do actually like Will and I'll go on record for that, I think with a team that's willing to invest in him and his team for a few years will see results, wether or not that's us I'm not sure. But one things for sure Saints fans need humbling.
I think expectations shouldn't be on promotion this year, some of you have even said we're nowhere near it and yet the same voices call for Wills sacking when we're not on track for it .I find that odd. Obviously I want us to win/perform every game but I'm a realist and I know that mid table means you lose games along the way.
. hopefully today's not one of them though.
As for team/players. I'm not sure where Ronnie Edwards or Woods came from or how they got in the team but for me they're substitutes. Even though Bellis hasn't been great for a long time is still like to see a partnership between him and quashie long term form. Jalert looked awesome than got injured. Azaz hasn't been great but I'd still rather Play him than Archer with Armstrong just for the physical presence and hope that a run of games is what azaz needs to find his form.
1.) 25 Oct 2025 17:00:51
We have to be winning these games against the struggling teams tho. Another poor display means closer to relegation again. Do we stick with Will into league 1 Leslee because I'm not sure we are even making mid table. How long can we stick with a manager that appears to be taking us the wrong way, although tbf it is also board and players making poor decisions. I just want some stability defensively to build from. We look lost. Teams know there are 3 points available every time they play us at the moment. It is so hard to get behind the team presently.
2.) 25 Oct 2025 17:19:28
I think we’re all over thinking it - we are absolute rubbish - plain and simple.
Another defeat out of the jaws of victory.
And what about the substations? Taking off our most talented player to be replaced by Stephens is totally illogical.
Good to see you changing your tune about Boy Still, Lesleee. I said all along that someone fresh out of High School is probably not the best man for the job. I will concede though I would rather have Ralph than Boy Still.
18 Oct 2025 11:35:03
I was starting to think positive about the games ahead, I think maybe we all were a little with the Ross Stewart finding his feet again .now ?
But then this only highlights/mirrors points I've made in the past about fine margins and that for me a decent target man/striker who can hold up the ball, score and or bring others in the game along with a a decent keeper are integral to us turning draws/losses into wins.
Wether it's our scouting team/board/football in general these days we've seen to have an identity/style of possession play for a long time now, yet we seem to always have small creative players up front.
For this reason I'd be willing to say give Damion Downes a good run in the team. i'd sell Archer in the January window and look to use any of that money to invest in someone likewise to Stewart if Downes doesn't end up cutting it. For me Archer and Armstrong inevitably need to go once we're back in the premiership and I rate Armstrong more than I do Archer for the championship.
We need a strong presence up front and at the back.
1.) 18 Oct 2025 18:01:34
A strong presence up front and at the back?
And maybe a new GK and a bit more creativity in midfield too.
Nearly there then!
2.) 21 Oct 2025 15:43:22
Strong psychical/clinical striker and a decent goalkeeper.
Strong at the front strong at the back
04 Oct 2025 16:54:38
Ah well, I did say if/hope he stays fit
. I'm not crying ?
01 Oct 2025 09:31:53
Stewart repayed my faith in him ? hopefully he kicks on now as he looked like a proper striker last night.
I'm liking Casper yander too, he's an intelligent footballer and looking more and more like one the players were struggle to keep hold of.
Oh how I wish we had a decent goalkeeper though. If it was me I would have looked at whoever was the championship goalkeeper of the season just gone. As long as it wasn't a fluke season and there was consistency there I would signed him, even used some of Bazuna money to fund it.I think I'm in Dreamland on that one though, seeing as Ramsdale is technically still on our books.
Game on Saturday will help determine wether last night was a fluke or not, here's hoping not.
1.) 01 Oct 2025 11:25:23
I would love Stewart, Armstrong and Archer to re-discover their form.
We were rumoured to be in for Patterson and Johansson, both very good Champ GKs but came to nothing. Baz was good in pre-season but has not improved like Charles and Edwards have
24 Sep 2025 10:06:45
There's never a guarantee to anything, but yes I undoubtedly said he was our best foreseeable chance of getting promoted straight away . Not because I liked him or thought he was a decent manager, simply because he did previously despite that and with the same team. He knew the players and league. The same way I knew Juric was a bad choice for being sacked by the same team 3 times. Instead we've rolled the dice with still and despite you guys thinking I'm crazy/obtuse I posted the link to show others say the same thing now.months after I initially predicted it ?
RM is out of his depths in a lot of areas but if immediate return to premier league is what we wanted whilst spending the time looking for a long term manager whilst doing so, like I say it would have been worth keeping hold of RM for that singular purpose
03 Jan 2024 20:57:11
I never said anything about Stephen's, your point was is KWP bett up the pitch .you said no.
Just because the modern game is more fast "pep-esque" demand more from players in certain positions doesn't mean certain players can't play in places. I agree Stephens isn't a great right back, but I've got nothing against mixing it up . because KWP from day one has always been an attacking full back, not a defensive one .so to argue his defensive attributes are better than his forward play is bizarre. Fraser is ok on the wing, but I'll think your find he's more suited to a Stuey Armstrong roll, attacking midfielder.
02 Jan 2024 12:23:32
I disagree with KWP comment, I'd argue he's better as an attacking winger then he is a defender .at the least he's best in both positions. It's his pace and agility that ables him to get up the pitch but also get back, track and close down players and he's shown time and time again that he's willing to that roll no matter how far up the pitch he plays .so why wouldn't you play in further up?
In relation to other wingers I wouldn't say we have any natural wingers like KWP. Fraser and Sulamana aren't as good on the wing. Fraser isn't as fast and Sulamana although fast hasn't got the consistency KWP has. KWP also has the ability to cut inside and score with the best of them.
So all in all, saying KWP is not effective higher up the pitch is complete bonkers. He's one of our main threats that actually looks to move the ball forward and direct to goal. Sure he's a decent full back/defender but he's an even better winger.
25 Feb 2023 23:14:33
Nope, twas a sober post and one can still be dignified and articulate whilst using the phrase "suck dick" . In todays day and age it simply relates to some loving a person that much.
My point remains though . Fans that were calling for Ralphs head are now cheering for any meagre success. I'm certain Ralph, at the very least would have kept us up this season and though Selles is a more of a positive since Jones (though let's be fair, anyone would have been) . I think his inexperience will be the too much to save us.
The fact is football is filled with fickle fans, from all clubs and fans never seen to take account for a lot of the rubbish they chant/demand and post on online and social media.
People say Ralph lost the dressing room, yet all I've ever read from actual players and pundits alike is how well he was respected there.
All fans here (I include myself in this) think we know what's what but the reality is that if any of us were given the saints job we'd be no better than Nathan Jones.
And so now, we've got an inexperienced manager trying to manage us out of a relegation battle, who has taken over from a guy who was completely clueless who job was also to save and improve us who was brought in to take over from a guy has kept us at the least stable and more exciting than the managers before him.
Fans forget that were Southampton a lot of the time .no matter how good we start to get other teams will always poach our players/staff. I don't believe in the phrase "a selling club" as saints are one that seem to get labeled with it as well.at the end of the day we're a stepping stone for players and clubs because as soon as someone has success here they can resist moving on . I'm saying this because of we had players here still like mane, shaw, van dyk, hoijberg, ings ect than we wouldn't be in a relegation battle. We can't and never will keep these players and so were left trying to replace them until we end up with sub-par players like djenpo, Adam Armstrong, lyanco ect.
Soo, the reality is accepting our place in the food chain whilst looking for ray of hopes. Ralph was a ray of hope because he genuinely looked like he was happy to stay and try and build something. Fickle fans gave hime the boot though .and thus, here we are.
24 Feb 2023 18:49:28
Selles is a breathe of fresh air . So we can hold you to that when your inevitably calling for his head next season?
Fact is, Selles ain't going to do much more than at absolute best maybe, maybe keep us up. Then next season the bricks will begin to fall. It's only fans that seem to have this thing about Ralph. Players and pundits have all gave admiration for what he did for us.
People are sucking selles dick after one game due to him being a better fit than Jones, to which the saints fan are accountable for to somewhat for asking for change. We're see how far that breathe of fresh air takes us after a few games . Point is, if your praising Selles at the end of the season for barely keeping us up .then your whole thing about Ralph is pretty pointless
08 Nov 2025 20:50:05
I agree, I've said it before, don't dismiss the managerial bounce affect.
There's a chance tonda will come good, but he has to be assessed on the next few games and possibly any influence he has towards January signings if he's still doing the job by then.
The danger we have is if we win a few games with him it has potential to turn into another Selles situation.
Board need to be actively looking for the right man, of the right man is tonda, fine, but don't just give him the job because a few results go his way.
Whoever it is has to be the man to build something, a team/vision/identity that leads us on for the next few years.
21 Oct 2025 15:43:22
Strong psychical/clinical striker and a decent goalkeeper.
Strong at the front strong at the back
18 Oct 2025 17:30:29
Not a chance Miller, he's like Mourinho was past his prime. Everyone thinks he's going to bring glory at your club but no, there's a reason why he's failing.
You're also going to have to stick your claims to the mast at some point. Can't just keep saying everyone is going to fail, that's the easy route out ?
Still's looking like our best option since Ralph. He definitely tries things and made some of the signings he's made our starting to gel. We just need that strong physical presence up front. It's why I never wanted Che to leave.
Will definitely learns as he goes and you can't accuse him if being stubborn, so I'm definitely down for the ride to see where we go . especially as I predicted mid table before we even had a new manager.
We nearly went down as the worst premier ship team in history recently, there was always going to be some wrongs to right
09 Jul 2025 12:21:44
Only thing going for him Miller time was his pace. He wasn't that clinical.he could/should have been used in a way where he would have some one to connect with once he'd had done all the work, pass/cross to someone who could finish but for whatever reason his pace always ended up getting him into no man's land and he wasnt good enough to go it alone.
Think everyone saw him/hoped as another mane but he wasn't, all players are their own individuals even if they remind us of other players. If it was that easy to go and get another mane any club would do it.
Alaas, good luck to the lad .just can't understand why he went with Juric. Why did Atlanta go with Juric?! They finished 3rd in seria A and have champions league football and they chose Juric!
Anyways, here's to another controversial season ahead of us .of posting on here lol
23 May 2025 11:11:21
All managers analyze strengths and weaknesses or at least they suppose to be able to, that's the basics of being a manager.
He's young and untested here which is the gamble. Danny Rohl was/is still a gamble for me too the difference being he at least has a season in the championship under his belt and has been part of our setup in the past.
Ill admit I don't feel as concerned about Will Still though as I did Juric. Juric was an obvious **** up. Though I don't get carried away with any new appointment until they've had their first few months and transfer window under them. Have to see what team and style they are looking to build before you can.