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18 Aug 2023 12:14:00
If we let Che Adams go then we're showing no desire/ambition to return to the premier league. I get the majority of the other exits, big value players and fringe players. Che though isn't either. He's definitely class and that's why people are bidding for him obviously but he's a player the club SHOULD be able to keep hold of.

He's a proven goal scorer, even more so in this league and goals are part of the recipe you need for success. The valuation I'm hearing at 10M for him too is ridiculous. I don't rate Adam Armstrong (recent goals were penalties) .and any replacement for Che would be looking to cover the goals he would have certainly got us and there's no guarantee the replacement will .it's madness.

With all this outgoings as well we fans have to be aware that the club is a business. The new owners bought the club for whatever sum of money, the sell of players/assets covers their expenditure whilst netting them a tidy profit. As a business they've just made some nice money, so there's always the possibility that we're here to languish in the championship now whilst our former team is stripped for parts.

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1.) 19 Aug 2023 20:55:38
The skill that Adams has is intelligence . he has the Danny Ings/lambert ability to hold and then move into space space at the last moment .
makes him impossible to play, IF our players anticipate his movement .
Three pure poachers goals in three games!
Tella has two great feet, knows where the goal is, bags of confidence!
Adam A . not an intelligent player, hasn’t progressed as a player . love to see Dom Ballard being given a chance over AA


 

 

27 Apr 2023 19:15:10
Armstrong instead of Suleman .wtaf! : (:/:#

McCarthy in for bazuna, whilst I do think bazuna needs some time off, he might be decent one day but has been in the firing line too much this season, replacing him with McCarthy is NOT any better. I'd rather keep bazuna in and hope he finds form . McCarthy is just a shower of rubbish and forever will be.

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23 Feb 2023 22:05:11
Rickie lambert, a man who knows how to play for Southampton and under decent managers, said was shocked Ralph got the sack and that saints we building something with Ralph at the helm .which is what I've said all along.

Now thankfully that we've got Jones out the way Selles will hopefully keep confidence up enough to maybe adjust for his inexperience and maybe just maybe were scrape survival by a point maybe.

And here's the thing though, if Selles keeps us up by say a point or so, he will be branded a hero. I'm 99.9% certain that Ralph could have achieved that at the least this season yet people called for his head and would have continued to if that's all he got for us this season .that's the irony of the whole thing, how fickle people become when their expectations change.

Ralph sent some words of encouragement to selles and no doubt selles will be implementing some of the ideas/methods he observed from Ralph. and yet here everyone is (the same people who called for Ralphs head) praising Selles . I'm all for selles, I think he might just about keep us up, mainly with luck.but results will evidently go the wrong way for him at some point and he'll get the chop.

Just amazes me how fast fans change

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1.) 24 Feb 2023 17:36:31
Bizarre post .are you saying that because I wanted Ralph gone, that I’m not allowed to want Selles?
Jones, just like Ralph, had absolutely no relationship with the players! He fell out with so many of the players while choosing to pick favourites, regardless of form!
His tactical decisions, his substitutions, his formation changes during games was non existent.
We threw a record number points from winning positions, no players improved under him, players were played out of position . players on form
We’re dropped!

We were in free fall, getting worse every season . he should have been sacked ages ago!
As for building something under Ralph? What precisely .

And yes I and many other fans wanted him gone, he lost the dressing room … and thank god he went. the chose of Jones was surreal!
Selles is a breath of fresh air .

There was no change of expectation . I was completely fed up with seeing Ralph on the touch line, completely devoid of ideas. never ever being able to respond to an opponents change of tactics. It was plan A and no plan B. In fact he played the same defensive setup against the bottom team as he did against the top team!
Bizarre how many people were blinded by Ralph being emotive .


2.) 24 Feb 2023 18:49:28
Selles is a breathe of fresh air . So we can hold you to that when your inevitably calling for his head next season?

Fact is, Selles ain't going to do much more than at absolute best maybe, maybe keep us up. Then next season the bricks will begin to fall. It's only fans that seem to have this thing about Ralph. Players and pundits have all gave admiration for what he did for us.

People are sucking selles dick after one game due to him being a better fit than Jones, to which the saints fan are accountable for to somewhat for asking for change. We're see how far that breathe of fresh air takes us after a few games . Point is, if your praising Selles at the end of the season for barely keeping us up .then your whole thing about Ralph is pretty pointless


3.) 25 Feb 2023 14:52:28
Utterly confused by your logic


4.) 25 Feb 2023 15:42:59
Miller time
Utterly confused too . sounds like a post after one too many beers. As for the referencing to sucking Selles Dick . don’t normally get this sort of childish, rude comments! If he has to resort to such comment, there isn’t a lot going on up top!

I have always made my comments honest and open . be that my criticism of Djenepo being awful but happy to say he played well in one game.

Selles showed more technical ability as a manager in that one game that Ralph did all season.
It’s like against Leeds today, it’s not quite working for Saints. will Ruben play the Ralph game of ‘fingers crossed’ or will he make changes. subtle tactical changes or substitutions.
too right he will!


5.) 25 Feb 2023 23:14:33
Nope, twas a sober post and one can still be dignified and articulate whilst using the phrase "suck dick" . In todays day and age it simply relates to some loving a person that much.

My point remains though . Fans that were calling for Ralphs head are now cheering for any meagre success. I'm certain Ralph, at the very least would have kept us up this season and though Selles is a more of a positive since Jones (though let's be fair, anyone would have been) . I think his inexperience will be the too much to save us.

The fact is football is filled with fickle fans, from all clubs and fans never seen to take account for a lot of the rubbish they chant/demand and post on online and social media.

People say Ralph lost the dressing room, yet all I've ever read from actual players and pundits alike is how well he was respected there.

All fans here (I include myself in this) think we know what's what but the reality is that if any of us were given the saints job we'd be no better than Nathan Jones.

And so now, we've got an inexperienced manager trying to manage us out of a relegation battle, who has taken over from a guy who was completely clueless who job was also to save and improve us who was brought in to take over from a guy has kept us at the least stable and more exciting than the managers before him.

Fans forget that were Southampton a lot of the time .no matter how good we start to get other teams will always poach our players/staff. I don't believe in the phrase "a selling club" as saints are one that seem to get labeled with it as well.at the end of the day we're a stepping stone for players and clubs because as soon as someone has success here they can resist moving on . I'm saying this because of we had players here still like mane, shaw, van dyk, hoijberg, ings ect than we wouldn't be in a relegation battle. We can't and never will keep these players and so were left trying to replace them until we end up with sub-par players like djenpo, Adam Armstrong, lyanco ect.

Soo, the reality is accepting our place in the food chain whilst looking for ray of hopes. Ralph was a ray of hope because he genuinely looked like he was happy to stay and try and build something. Fickle fans gave hime the boot though .and thus, here we are.


 

 

 

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21 Feb 2024 18:21:43
I would love to see Tyler Dibbs get a run in the teams, more importantly I would love Adam Armstrong NOT to be in the team and Tyler or anyone or no one else o take his place. He's scored some goals for us this season Armstrong sure but if you look into it they've mostly been from winning positions, goals that haven't really meant much to the overall outcome of the game. What I mean by that is he isn't someone who could be relied on. We were 2-0 against hull and I never had any hope of changing that until Che came on. I'm not saying I believed Che would score but he's has a far more overall presence and variety to his game then Armstrong. Should we happen to get promoted he's only going to get worse as we all saw his performance in the premiership and this new stint in the championship hasn't exactly shown him for the start striker he's supposed to be. Give Tyler a chance, he can't be any worse but at best he goes on to be immense and he's home grown.

Also a side note on goalkeepers. Maybe it's because I've been watching saints for too much recently but when was the last time anyone saw a goalkeeper to a successful run of saves?! By that I mean, a shot comes at the goalkeeper, he dives and saves it it one or two hands and pushes it behind for a corner or out of danger. These days all I see is our keepers acting like their defenders, running around with ball at their feet and when they do actually make a diving save they push it right it front of players .it'sike attacking players know this more these days and await for the ball to be pushed to them.Think somethings gone wrong with goalkeeper coaching because they don't do the basics anymore. Dive, save goalkeeping 101 .pep rush keeper are awesome but that should be second to dive and save. If I was on a million pounds contract you could be your ass I'd have the skills to dive and save a ball. ?

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20 Feb 2024 20:06:28
The cracks are beginning to show .

I believed and said that Feb/March would be the real test to see if we were likely of promotion.

I don't think we have it in us to do what we think we can do against teams that are of a higher quality, especially away from home (at even at home now)

Time will tell though. Even if RM gets us promoted somehow I'm not sure he's up for the job as premiership manager, hopefully I'm proven wrong about all this though.

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1.) 20 Feb 2024 20:51:54
Make you right Lesleee, and our performance tonight is just shocking.

And as for the team selection - bewildering.

But we knew in our hearts ….


2.) 20 Feb 2024 22:53:57
Ed’s . I turn to you for advice again .
we are playing a very good footballing side, why wouldn’t RM pick his best side?
Please help me understand!
To not play Fraser is just inexcusable . Brookes dropped, who is another excellent footballer!
We were outplayed and outclassed by some excelllent football, meanwhile our best team is sitting on the bench!
Whoever it was that posted about January February being the true test, you were spot on.
RM is being found out . but I’m sure he’ll say we should’ve won

{Ed001's Note - the only possible excuse I can think of is that the sports scientists told him certain players were in the "red zone". He might have been resting them. Other than that, it can only be that he disagrees with you and thinks he picked his best side.}


 

 

31 Jan 2024 19:06:49
Those fussing about Alacaraz (one guy said he was believes he'll develop into world class like bale :/). I don't see that at all, I believe we can easily secure promotion without him this season and that's saying something. He's not bad sure, but I wouldn't say there was anything exceptional about him that that has been there in the early days of our other top class young talent.

Juve have decided to loan him then pay a decent price for him if he turns out to be what they want. Honestly I think it's decent business for everyone. Juve are being cautious and not wasting cash like so many clubs do on players that end up flopping. I generally think he will be back at the club after his loan though, not because he's crap but just because juve will probably realize that have someone just as good in their own academy that they don't need to fork £30mil on. I mean he scores the occasional goals and dazzels here and there, but I mean who doesn't, i'd take Stuey Armstrong over him any day if the week and as for us if he does go then even with 15% of fee going to River plate we still double our money.

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17 Dec 2023 00:09:06
South-hants-rich .I think the board does matter and like my post I think it's the forefront of everything.

Like the other post mentioned missing the cortesse days, I do too. Hants-rich you mentioned not understanding the manergial appointments and that's my point that never would have happened under cortesse. Cortesse did the opposite.I mean I think everyone at the time thought it was harsh replacing pardew with Admins but that happened and then Moreover thought Adkins desevered at least a crack at managing us in the premiership.but nope. Cortesse always had his finger on the pulse and was always one step ahead. It's that dedication from the board that's been missing since that has lead us dodgy players/managers/performances since.

Let's say RM gets us promoted somehow this season. Even if he does, one things for sure, he know premier league manager. If we had someone like cortesse we be like "Thanks for the memories Russel" and he'd be out on his arse the start of the premier league. But we don't have a board like that anymore, we have an average one and what average ones do is let that manager manage in the premier league, let the results get dire and then sack him.

We need forward thinking, we need ruthlessness and we need a 5 year plan again. i'd happily lose the whole of our current players (maybe not Stuey or Bazuna) if a board came in with a clear vision and structure of who we were, where we were going and how we were to get there.

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1.) 17 Dec 2023 11:59:42
I always expected Cortese would come back at some point. Not only was he a string personality, but he had a dream for Southampton FC . Champions league football. He was the driving force behind the training facilities.
Everytime it was up for sale, I was keeping my fingers crossed that one of his billionaire friends would step up. maybe once Kat has no involvement, he might . I believe they fell out.

One thing for sure is that Martin is not a premiership manager in any shape or form, although I have no doubt that he thinks he is! in fact, I think he probably thinks he’s one of the best managers in the world


2.) 17 Dec 2023 13:57:47
In the words of Brian Clough…

“I wouldn’t say I’m the best manager in the world but I’m in the top one”!

Now he did know how to manage …


3.) 18 Dec 2023 00:48:07
Martin …
If Carlsberg did Managers, they wouldn’t do Martin.

Martin … I honestly don’t think he has absolutely any understanding of what it takes to get promotion.
For someone that has achieved absolutely nothing in management, he sure likes to talk about himself!
Arrogance can be used to your advantage, confidence that you know what you’re doing.
I just don’t like him, so maybe I should stop writing about him as it might appear that it’s personal.

I have found in life, but excellent managers, successful people, say very little, but when they do, speak, you listen.
They are always critical of themselves, critical, even when their team wins 4-0 .
They will point out the defensive errors, the fact they should’ve had six, the fact that there was a 20 minute period when they didn’t control the midfield.
That is the sign of an excellent manager who watches the game in intimate detail.

Martin . “ what are you complaining about? We had 74% possession., so what if the opponents had 14 shots on goal and we only had three” .


 

 

16 Dec 2023 09:25:53
My number 1 signing of all time will always be the board. Good times come and go, the same with the players and the managers but as long as you have someone in charg behind the scenes, driven to get the club to where it wants to be then you know ultimately that's where the clubs going to be.

Liebher was the most recent example of that for us. Another current but different club is Wrexham. When Mcchenely and Reynolds first took over there were probably doubts but I'd bet now that who doesn't look at Wrexham and think they're be a premier league team in a few years .and you have to say that's quite mental, a non league team straight to the top of football league.

As for us, I wouldn't necessarily say we've currently got the worst backroom we've had, just an average one, much like our manager. Meaning together I think we are going to stagnate around the championship until someone gets serious again about taking us seriously.

I maintain my stance on RM but maybe stagnation is better than nothing. We seem to keep chopping and changing without anyone knowing what's going on. I say this, because even if RM was replaced and we got someone in who got us promoted with or without new players .that manager and players would then have to be successful in the premier league and .thereinlies the problem, if they're successful in the premiere league they get poached away.

I don't care what anyone says, EVERY club (unless you're one of the top dogs) is a selling club, because you can't really hold a player against their will. No matter how deluded us fans get that the players who play for our clubs actually feel the same way about the club as we do.

This, ultimately it all comes back to the board. If we could find a decent board who was fanatical about Southampton and wanting to commit the next 20+ years to the cause then I'd know for sure we'd have a more positive future. As it is were left going in and out with the tide, never knowing where will be.

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1.) 16 Dec 2023 13:32:34
Excellent post …
In all of this, the one thing I can’t get my head around is the recruitment of managers.
Jones was surreal . but Martin .
Absolutely achieved nothing, not even taken a team to the playoffs, let alone promotion.
He managed to take Swansea backwards, that every single fan warning us about what we were about to have to put up with…

He can certainly talk to talk, But his arrogance, his belief in himself and his way, will be his and our downfall.
But my point is, it doesn’t matter who the board is, and it doesn’t matter so much what players are on the pitch,
We need to break away from picking second rate managers.
As I say, Martin had achieved nothing


2.) 16 Dec 2023 14:24:46
Agreed. I miss the Cortese days. He had an eye for a Manager and made some bold and brilliant decisions. Adkins was a former physio, Pottchetinho spoke no English and Espanyol were languishing at the bottom of La Liga, yet both Managers took us forward.

It is clear the strategy now is:
1. Snap up top youth players from big clubs and sell for a profit
2. Play possession Football, which fits their academy style to attract them
3. Get a Manager who plays like this - worked for Burnley.
4. If you do not get your top choice, go on a spreadsheet, sort who did well in the last 10 games and get him.
5. Sell anyone we get a decent offer for.


I work in business strategy. This is how many finance people with little clue about the subject area think.

They did not consider that too much player inexperience leads to errors, that a style that works for top teams does not necessarily work for mediocre teams and you have to adapt tactics to the team strengths you have. They thought their strategy would work even without a Kompany or Maresca and now they are seeing that the Burnley model has flopped in the PL and losing the likes of Tella, Perraud and Onuachu is costing us.

We are doing okay, have tightened up at the back and still have a circa % chance of promotion if we can be more ruthless but we need a re-think to be a side that can stay in the Premier league.


 

 

 

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03 Jan 2024 20:57:11
I never said anything about Stephen's, your point was is KWP bett up the pitch .you said no.

Just because the modern game is more fast "pep-esque" demand more from players in certain positions doesn't mean certain players can't play in places. I agree Stephens isn't a great right back, but I've got nothing against mixing it up . because KWP from day one has always been an attacking full back, not a defensive one .so to argue his defensive attributes are better than his forward play is bizarre. Fraser is ok on the wing, but I'll think your find he's more suited to a Stuey Armstrong roll, attacking midfielder.

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02 Jan 2024 12:23:32
I disagree with KWP comment, I'd argue he's better as an attacking winger then he is a defender .at the least he's best in both positions. It's his pace and agility that ables him to get up the pitch but also get back, track and close down players and he's shown time and time again that he's willing to that roll no matter how far up the pitch he plays .so why wouldn't you play in further up?

In relation to other wingers I wouldn't say we have any natural wingers like KWP. Fraser and Sulamana aren't as good on the wing. Fraser isn't as fast and Sulamana although fast hasn't got the consistency KWP has. KWP also has the ability to cut inside and score with the best of them.

So all in all, saying KWP is not effective higher up the pitch is complete bonkers. He's one of our main threats that actually looks to move the ball forward and direct to goal. Sure he's a decent full back/defender but he's an even better winger.

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25 Feb 2023 23:14:33
Nope, twas a sober post and one can still be dignified and articulate whilst using the phrase "suck dick" . In todays day and age it simply relates to some loving a person that much.

My point remains though . Fans that were calling for Ralphs head are now cheering for any meagre success. I'm certain Ralph, at the very least would have kept us up this season and though Selles is a more of a positive since Jones (though let's be fair, anyone would have been) . I think his inexperience will be the too much to save us.

The fact is football is filled with fickle fans, from all clubs and fans never seen to take account for a lot of the rubbish they chant/demand and post on online and social media.

People say Ralph lost the dressing room, yet all I've ever read from actual players and pundits alike is how well he was respected there.

All fans here (I include myself in this) think we know what's what but the reality is that if any of us were given the saints job we'd be no better than Nathan Jones.

And so now, we've got an inexperienced manager trying to manage us out of a relegation battle, who has taken over from a guy who was completely clueless who job was also to save and improve us who was brought in to take over from a guy has kept us at the least stable and more exciting than the managers before him.

Fans forget that were Southampton a lot of the time .no matter how good we start to get other teams will always poach our players/staff. I don't believe in the phrase "a selling club" as saints are one that seem to get labeled with it as well.at the end of the day we're a stepping stone for players and clubs because as soon as someone has success here they can resist moving on . I'm saying this because of we had players here still like mane, shaw, van dyk, hoijberg, ings ect than we wouldn't be in a relegation battle. We can't and never will keep these players and so were left trying to replace them until we end up with sub-par players like djenpo, Adam Armstrong, lyanco ect.

Soo, the reality is accepting our place in the food chain whilst looking for ray of hopes. Ralph was a ray of hope because he genuinely looked like he was happy to stay and try and build something. Fickle fans gave hime the boot though .and thus, here we are.

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24 Feb 2023 18:49:28
Selles is a breathe of fresh air . So we can hold you to that when your inevitably calling for his head next season?

Fact is, Selles ain't going to do much more than at absolute best maybe, maybe keep us up. Then next season the bricks will begin to fall. It's only fans that seem to have this thing about Ralph. Players and pundits have all gave admiration for what he did for us.

People are sucking selles dick after one game due to him being a better fit than Jones, to which the saints fan are accountable for to somewhat for asking for change. We're see how far that breathe of fresh air takes us after a few games . Point is, if your praising Selles at the end of the season for barely keeping us up .then your whole thing about Ralph is pretty pointless

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06 Dec 2023 19:30:36
Wasn't necessarily talking of you .haven't been on here for a while but seeing as we've climbed the table a little thought I'd grasp the fickleness of some fans.and the fist few comments I saw were things like "oh, maybe I was wrong about Martin"

The things with some fans is they have no perspective. there's nothing wrong with a view but the fan who says one thing or the other has to be consistent with what they say. I'll put my hand up at the end of the season on here say I was wrong if we get promoted but honestly playoffs would be lucky for us.

The January transfer window has a chance to change things so I will withhold true judgement until around the end of February. By then we're no the squad we have and what are performances are like about those above and around us.

At the moment though I think when it comes to the crunch, when it comes to actually winning games . say for example a playoff semi final or final game, a a game where we have to win, I don't see us doing . The points we have so far we've have been lucky to get, when it comes to actually winning games you need to win though you need more than luck. You need to solid throughout and I haven't seen that with us among any manager in many a year

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16 Apr 2023 00:15:53
Not at all pal, some of my earliest posts from long ago had me questioning JWP's worth to the team, however I'm a realist .

Which means and this current moment in time his worth is more than anyones. Sure he's frustrating and has a negative play style . But you have to ask yourself where to goals come from in our team at this moment? He gives us a chance at a goal . Something that no one else in the team at the moment can seem to guarantee us.

I would much prefer him to play a bit like the person he tries to emulate though i.e. Beckham and for selles to pair him with Onauchu.I mean here we are with the tallest striker in the league with supposedly one of the best crossers of the ball in the league and . Nothing.

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Ralph all day for me though . Ralph was here we wouldn't be bottom, fact. Fans get what they ask for, simple as.

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16 Mar 2023 20:34:07
You realise all of the above what you said about qualifications and experience of people around them could be said the same for Frank lampard, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney ect as managers .and look how they've ended up.

Fans have this bizzare thing about Ralph and his substitute methods .who cares, at the end of the day he should be judged overall on where we're with him and how we were doing . I guarantee you Ralph would not have relegated us and yet Selles is beginning to show his inadequacy with both tactics/preparation/management/substitutions .and yet if my some miracle he saves us, will be hailed a hero, only for fans to show their real colours when this time next year they will have been calling for his head because whilst he has the character time will tell if he can cut it.

The MAIN thing that fans never seem to take into consideration when results and situations go this way .is the board. Wind back to the Porch - libeher/cortesse days. There was a board who set out a 5 year plan, stuck to it (depspite fans being unsure at times) and achieved it earlier then expected. Fans were shocked when Nigel Adkins was scaled and replaced by a relatively unknown. Yet he board wasn't shocked they knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

Fast forward to today and over the recent years we have had a string of dodgy owners and take overs, none really looking to build something other than their bank accounts. Ralph has a been a manager of Southampton under these recent cowboys .and so whilst we can all throw blame at the players and managers, were not fully aware of the support/restrictions Ralph had behind the scenes.one thing is for sure though, he definitely didn't have the support that Poch and Koeman did.

When a customer goes into a shop to complain, it is the staff member that takes all the abuse/criticism. The staff may have ideas/methods for running that business differently but alas it's not thier business and they're hands are in the end tied but what they are and are not allowed to do.

As for this current board, I will give them credit for listening to the fans but the reverse of that is honestly don't think they have a clue what they are doing .and so listening to fans whilst not having a clue can be a bad thing. For example the fans wanted signings - I believe we we the 3rs biggest spender in the recent transfer window. The fans wanted Ralph gone - the board sacked him but had no idea about a replacement - so we got Jones. The fans wanted Jones gone (rightly so though, who wouldn't) then started saying they wanted Selles - wasn't long until we stopped looking for a new manager and for Selles.

The thing is fans HAVE to take account for some of the things they demand online/social media. I think they think our cries fall on death ears.but accutually and ultimately their cries become herd mentality that gather traction and actions behind the scenes.

Case in point with Ralph - many pundits/experts/and the board were behind Ralph . I know he had some dodgy results at times and yet you could always see that it was more circumstance (lack of getting the signings through the door, injuries, ect) that had an impact on why he was sacked. I honestly believe if Ralph had a bit more luck we'd at least be mid table right now.

Instead here we are with a round of clueless boards and seemingly clueless and inexperienced managers they aren't looking likely to save us from relegation.and to that all the fans can shout is "Why don't we bring tella back" .a player who is scoring in the championship for an inform team playing with confidence. Yea let's bring him back and put him in our squad because that will definitely work out lol.

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16 Mar 2023 04:42:49
Let's be fair he's scoring hat tricks in the championship under a manager who was a born winner on the premier league. Let's not blow too much smoke up tellas arse and think he would have been out saviour.

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31 Dec 2022 14:23:05
You call yourself a die hard fan, such fans aren't exempt from being fickle btw .and yet use the same cliche phrases/argument all fair weather fans use.

Who doesn't want their team to play with courage and everything they've got?! I think that's essentially what every fan of every club ever wants. The fact is, for endless amount of factors that just isn't possible every game.

There a mitigating factors that play out with every team, players throughout the course of the season . furthermore, no matter how well prepared and setup you are and how fired up you as a team/player are .the opposing team are just as likely to come with a game plan that is going to put that fire out.

You also contradict yourself in talking about saints playing with courage and leaving everything on the pitch and it consequently being a fault of Ralphs. Nathan's Jones has had an unprecedented amount of free time with his new squad for this time of the season, roughly over a month to work with them. That is by far enough time to at the very least install confidence and 'courage' if that was the thing you thought they were lacking. Yet his first home in charge was up there with any of the worse results I've seen under Ralph.

Ralph definitely improved upon the team he inherited, we've got some real gem's as players now, that due to bad luck/injuries/run of results we aren't currently seeing their potential.How many teams do you know of in modern history that have suffered two 9-0 defeats and have gone on to not only recover but put in some decent results and performances against top teams . This shows you that there was more to it, with a full team free of injuries and suspensions I truly believe Ralph would still be here now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not totally blowing smoke up Ralph's arse, I agree overall there was probably more of a case for him to go then not and on the degree of a spectrum for how close he was to having job security and getting the sack for me he was getting close to the latter. BUT and it's a big but, I had no confidence that the board was going to bring in anyone else of Ralph's pedigree or higher and that it would just be a knee-jerk decision and now here we are. I would have much preferred to stay with Ralph as I believe with the January transfer window and players coming back from injury he would have at the least saved us from relegation.and now we have Jones, who looks certain to relegate us.

As for the post mentioning puel .Claude puel got results by parking the bus everything game, any manager can get results that way. He did the same thing when he went onto licester and was sacked again there for that same reason.

lesleee