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25 May 2026 14:41:02
Any suggestions about moving forward, other than sack everyone?
My main thought is that if Tonda isn't kept on that we go aggressively after Danny Rohl.
That got me thinking though. He too is a young German manager, coincidentally he was also at RB Leipzig around the same time that Tonda was. Without going too far down the rabbit hole, does anyone think the spying could be systemic through the majority of young German managers that work abroad? I.e. that it's not frowned upon where they come from which leads them to employ an untapped resource/advantage that other national coaches aren't doing? I'd hope the EFL/FA aren't stupid enough to just go hardcore on us and then forget the whole thing. Hopefully they use this and spend the time going forward looking for similar scenarios.
With that being said though, my plan for going forward would be -
Scenario A) Tonda is kept on. Him and the board have a massive indepth talk about how he will face the questions and scrutiny from press/fans and wether he can handle it. It's plausible that all the spying he did, deep down he didn't need to and perhaps there is one hell of a redemption story waiting to be told. If he truly thinks he can achieve what he has here WITHOUT the spying, then let him stay on. My only concern is that he did seem to rely heavily on the spying (multiple occurrences/forcing people to do it ect)
Or
Scenario B) The board is replaced, Tonda goes and we go get Danny Rohl/The board stays on, Tonda goes and we go get Danny Rohl.
I prefer scenario B as it's the cleanest cut away from what's happened, but the likelihood of it happening is low and why it's my second choice.
I know the obvious solution is just to sack everyone involved but we have to seriously acknowledge the track history of staff signings under them. Unless the board are going to go (unlikely) we have to roll up our sleeves and work with what solutions we have.
I don't buy into this whole "never supporting my team again" ect as it's largely individuals that carry out actions. Individuals come and go but the club remains. On top of that as I always say, fans piss and moan when times are bad (rightly so this time) and sing when they're winning. Hopefully when the dust settles, we get back to some form we were on last season, I think fans will find it hard to be mad/not support a club who's winning.
Scienza was always going to go regardless. Priority for next season is having a decent keeper, Petetz/Ramsdale. I'm quietly optimistic about Petetz coming back as one thing he definitely wants is to be a regular no1 and he knows how much he's liked relied upon here. Secondly keeping hold of Ross Stewart, his injury history is the one golden thread that might keep other clubs at bay and have him resign with us.
The backbone of the club is a decent keeper and strong/physical/clinical striker. If we can keep that, wholesomely address this spying nonsense then we can push for a 6th place finish next season and hopefully doing the playoffs again, the right way.
1.) 25 May 2026 16:20:29
B isn't an option as Rohl is manager of Rangers.
2.) 25 May 2026 19:21:31
Hence my phrasing "aggressively" go after him.
3.) 26 May 2026 17:35:01
TBF, I'd stick with Tonda, keep everyone we can and go and watch every other team we play up to the 72 hr cut off point(apparently spying isn't even illegal in the Prem). Make it absolutely blatantly obvious, it'll force them to put fences up like they should have and will ensure they only get 3 sessions at most to work on tactics against us. Let them whine, everyone in professional sports cheats if they can, when money is involved it's business. By doing all of this it'll kill off the other teams supporters, they won't get the advantage they thought they would. As for Pompey, I'm sure they'd have preferred the cheating charge to the nonce from Chelsea they had on their coaching staff(correct me if I'm wrong on that).
Anyway, yeah I'd love to see Ross and Cyle on board and obviously Peretz. Not bothered about Charles, but the other 3 central midfielders show up every game. 100% keep Bree. Would try to get Targett back at the right price and deal. Try to turn Archer into a left sided winger type. Harwood Bellis will probably go or might be angry and have a point to prove.
As for the cheating, I see worse on the pitch every week and it definitely has more influence on the outcome of games than watching another team train.
Onward and sod the whiners.
4.) 29 May 2026 23:39:48
Ah ok . Option 3 could be going aggressively going after pep.
Rohl is manager of Rangers, therefore not an option for us unless that changes first.
5.) 30 May 2026 14:11:48
No Saintsggg because rangers aren't Man City and Rohl isn't Pep.
Rangers literally hired the man who helped relegate us and who you all said was completely useless, in case you need any context of their football standing.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be a challenge but Rohl has history with us/ he knows the club/area and the quality of Scottish football isn't any different to the championship.
Rohl is on the way to being a top manager, it won't be long before the big time comes for him. We have a small window and vague chance of getting him before then, if we go all out.
IF the Tonda thing doesn't resolve itself.
6.) 31 May 2026 00:23:14
We don't have any chance of taking Rohl whilst he is in situ at Rangers.
If we are going to quote the last, I think the last time a manager left a rangers for England it was for Premier League Aston Villa
7.) 31 May 2026 12:23:19
There should be no other choice than Tonda
The players love him
The fans love him
The fans love the way he had us playing
There is one among us that believes the cheating had considerable impact on our season
the rest of us do not think like that
If the manager watched every single team team 73 hours before we played them
We would all say well done
Just think about it
The only league in the world with this rule
So it is an accepted part of football throughout the world except for. the EFL
I will say it again
I think the players will rally together to prove to the football world how good we are
8.) 31 May 2026 14:18:35
You truly have blinders on Southants.
I've given valid points and so has this spying stuff to suggest that the way Tonda had us playing last season is not down to his tactical genius.
Now keep up though because what I HAVEN'T said is that Tonda isn't the man.
There has been some mentioning/anger here and other places towards the radio silence from the club regarding Tonda.
I for one am delighted at the silence as for once it might actually seem their taking their time to assess wether Tonda can take us forward, particularly without the aforementioned methods.
You have blinders on because you think if Tonda stays then we just pick up where we left off, we don't.
He first has to get past the hurdle I was referring to all last season, of rebuilding a team with as good quality, if not better, to the one we had this season. Payers are leaving, that's for sure.
Secondly me, nor you nor anyone, except those involved know the extent to which Tonda was reliant on cheating to achieve what he did. This is something that will hopefully come to light during this radio silence from the board and further on, if he stays.
I'm hoping Tonda is the man but you have take the blinders off and face reality.
9.) 31 May 2026 19:32:52
I am fully aware that you think Tonda should stay,
But just like your obsession before with Martin and then still, you are obsessed that de spying is the reason we did so well
You have given no valid reasons to support that
To suggest his spying is the key to his success is without any proof
The fact that you are able to watch opponent play anywhere in the world says it's an acceptable part of football, that is a fact
The fact that you can watch your opponent 73 hours before a game, but not 72 hours before a game make it a crazy
The fact that top European clubs are interested in him plus a background with the German national side and Bayern Munich speaks volumes
Well without sounding rude, you are obsessed with the fact this spying proves Tonda is not as good as we all think he is
He is a remarkable young manager, albeit naive
He has got players playing way better than previous managers
He does something the other managers for years have failed to do, just tactics based on adjustments in opponents tactics
You need to clear your mind of this matter
He has to stay and him and the players will be determined to wrong the scandalous decision
10.) 01 Jun 2026 13:45:33
You've still got you're blinders on pal.
All those things you mention can be attributed to spying.
Sure an hours difference, 73 and you're not in trouble.so why didn't Tonda do that ?
He had constant pushback from the people who he was asking to do the spying, to the point he had to bully them into it. That on its own suggests he wanted an advantage. Bullying young interns into damaging their future careers isn't what makes a manager remarkable.
Cheating is only not cheating when the opponents have the same data/advantage you do. We saw this in the Middlesbourgh game. As soon as they found out what we were up to our advantage was blown and they very nearly wiped the floor with us.
It's not 'big clubs' either that want him, I've read the articles as well, it's just mid/low range clubs in Germany where such tactics are less punished. Though I doubt where the advantage would be in employing it in a league where everyone is doing it and that's my point.
We caught other teams off guard, with their pants down. Wether it should be allowed/whether it's ethical is besides the point. The teams we were competing with WEREN'T doing it and it was that factor that gave us the edge in what likely will he found to be the majority of matches under Tonda.
I'm happy for him to stay on, most importantly to watch them blinders slip from your face, because although I want him to be the man, all the points I've made suggest he isn't.
11.) 02 Jun 2026 17:24:52
@southantsrich .I totally agree.
@leslee .Sounds like you will struggle supporting the team next season.
12.) 04 Jun 2026 15:23:02
I smell fish
23 May 2026 16:02:00
The EFL have released the whole of the disciplinary commission's hearing. There's a link within this link (bottom of post) you can click on to view it all. I read it all and here's the bullet points if you can't be bothered reading it -
We initially lied/misled the EFL by telling them no video footage was recorded, shared or analysed, than later admitted that wasn't true (Perhaps the Board really didn't know or they were trying to cover up/get out if it? )
They found that the intern (Who must have been William Salt) was the person involved in spying at Oxford United and Middlesbourgh, importantly however, he declined to be involved in the Ipswhich spying. Highlighting the pressure and potential bullying he was under - to refuse to go to Ipswhich, then later turn up and do it at Middlesbourgh. Of the 3 charges/sanctions we were given, No. 3 is a reprimand for this direct behavior - the treating of those in a vulnerable position in such a way.
Tonda was instrumental in the whole thing, forcing people to do things. Asking specifically what he wanted and being unimpressed at some of the footage/information he received. The commission said we had a "contrived and determined plan from the top down to gain a competitive advantage"
They (the disciplinary commission) DID agree that no sporting advantage came from the incidents of spying they aware of. However they later go on to say that there is no correlation between those losses and the spying, that the reason and intentions for spying WAS to gain an advantage, regardless of outcome. That evidence such as asking for specific players injury status and team selection feeds directly into forming the strategy for any upcoming match.
A financial penalty would be meaningless in regards to that instead of expulsion from the playoffs as any promotion to the premiere league, financially, would offset that. Furthermore if that precedent was set it would incline other teams to cheat in a similar way as it meant the risk of a financial penalty would be paid for by the thing the team is trying to achieve.
Disciplinary commission said one major factor in deciding the severity of sanction was our complete disregard for regulation 127 (72 hour no observation window) and 'unimpressed' at our defence in saying we were unaware, that we were an EFL team and regulated and bound by it's rules. (There are reports around saying obviously Will Still would have received these laws when he came to the club, but apparently when Tonda took over her didn't. Whilst that may be true, 100% as time went on regarding what he was doing he would have been made aware)
Commission Statement
03 Feb 2026 13:44:14
I'm not too worried about the loss of AA.
Yes he's immense in the championship but completely the opposite in the premier league and ultimately that's where we want to be.
Obviously keeping him to help get promoted would have been key but theirs an argument for getting the best value for him when he's showing the beat form he's capable of. With that in mind however I think we could have got double what we did for him, because in the right team/style your guaranteed championship goals from him .just not premier league ones. I hope wolves weren't hoping he'd save thier season.
Stewart is an instant fix, replacement and upgrade if you ask me .only if he stays fit though obviously.
Watched some videos on Larin and one thing he does seem to have is phsyciality about him. Something we haven't had in a while.
I was hoping Archer would be sent packing because unlike AA he can't even perform at this level, so hopefully Tonda won't be looking to rely on him.
Overall it's still looking like mid table.
I should start selling crystal balls.
1.) 03 Feb 2026 18:37:46
I don’t think we want to go back up this year. Even less experienced manager, scars of being battered every week, and knowing we’d have to spend a lot to have a chance at staying up. Recent yo-yo teams like West Brom, Norwich, Sheff Utd are all struggling, maybe a year out will do us good. Though it is absolutely no guarantee we go up next year.
We’ve got rid of some high earners, got some money in, and made a few low risk loan signings. In an ideal world we finish in the top 10 and look competitive.
I know it’s varied wildly in the last few weeks between going down, going up, play-offs and obscurity, but recent form of other teams and our lack of movement makes obscurity the likely result. 12 points ensures safety, and we have a kind run over the next month which I think ensures that.
We then hopefully have a strong base for summer. Get rid of McCarthy, THB, Stephens, Downes, Edozie, Downs, Archer, Bazunu, Brereton (total £60m? ) then it’s just a total reliance on the ability of the board to get good players in. Of which there is a slim chance.
21 Jan 2026 14:54:56
Adam Armstrong apparently considering moving on/wanting out this transfer window.
As a player this doesn't concern me and he's currently in the right league where we are able to get maximum value for him.
It's just selling him doesn't feel me with confidence like it should .by that I mean what do we even do with the money/player we bring in if the board/manager situation stays the same.
Ideally I'd want the money to go towards a new manager or board but I don't think things work that way.
30 Nov 2025 23:57:42
Might sound crazy but I'm actually glad for the loss at Millwall.
Let's be honest Tonda has to be up there in contention for the job BUT and this is the important part, the only thing that brought him into that contention was this recent run we were on.
Now I know I bang on about the managerial bounce but part of the reason I believe in it is because the guy who takes over gets to unshackle the team by going in and just letting them play a lot more free then we're.
This can only go on for so long though and eventually man management/tactics have to come back into play, otherwise anyone of us here could take charge.
I'm not saying that Tondas reign has all been the managerial affect, not at all. But there definitely was some of watch I mention occuring. So when I say I was happy for the loss it means we get to see how well Tonda and his team adapts to loss and rightly so. I think he would have been giving the job if we had won at the wknd but I think anyone who gets paid the amount they do should be judged on their losses as well as their wins and how they adapt to them.
I'm hoping that right now SR are looking at Tonda and asking wether his wins were down to his management or just the effects of taking over I'm hoping if it's the latter they are continuing their search.
If it was me I'd sit down with Tonda and see what kind of signings he wants to make in January and wether the board approves of them. I'd even hold of giving him the job even if he's doing well until January. I'd keep the search going and of there's no one out there who can match Tonda (i.e. Tondas doing a great job) then gets it's. I think too many times in recent history SR has given the job to anyone who strings two results together, hopefully their learning is all I hope for.
1.) 03 Dec 2025 20:55:21
I tend to completely agree Lesleee, which feels a bit weird. Birmingham at home is a perfect test to see if we have the bounce back ability.
Remember this is at least a top 6 side and we should be performing as much, but this will include losses and as you say a lot depends on our reaction.
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23 Jun 2026 22:16:10
Bring back Gareth Southgate.
13 Jun 2026 14:08:09
Just caught up, thanks for ammunition to use next season ??You best believe I'll have my popcorn on standby.
I'm crazy, a skate, unloyal ?, I'm a Pompey fan, just because I question things.
No, I'm just not a standard terrace mentality fan, who says one thing then piss and moans and cries sack the manager when it all goes wrong. Obviously not SaintHugh/Jar though, because they would never call for a tactical genius to be sacked, right, right?
The only thing I'm guilty of is looking too far ahead, granted. There are only a few people in here that look and see patterns and pitfalls for why we are a yo you club, up and down the leagues.
People here are currently praising and loving our board for backing Tonda. The same board who have put gambling companies after gambling companies on the front of our shirt, the same board who also hired Juric, Jones, Selles, Martin ect, how quickly you forget.
NO ONE here knows the extent to which the cheating was relied upon and just how much actually went on, compared to what the club has disclosed. We DO know interns were forced. Those are facts. So you can't truly claim Tonda is this or that until the performances start coming in next season, which is what I have been saying all along.
Stewart is gone now and unless we replace like for like, we've lost 10+ goals next season, Larins done well and holds the ball up the way I like, but he won't carry us all season
The key signing is Scienza. HE has been the driving force of this team and our performances, not Tonda, or rather not just Tonda. He would have been hard to keep if we went up and now undoubtedly he will go. It will be hard to find a replacement, but if Tonda can, that will go some way to convincing me more of his 'prowess'. Yes there has been other individuals standout performances, but Scienza has been the catalyst for much of what we did last season, not Tonda.
Let's not forget SkateLeslee that Russel Martin also went on a 20+ unbeaten run, so by your own logic RM is also a 'truly talented manager', yet we know that's not the case. Ruben Selles also had all players praising him, I guess he's world class too ? People see only what they want to see.
You all also think because I question Tonda and highlight things that I'm negative about him and want him out. Not at all, I want him to be what you all think he is but he has to prove that and he hasn't yet. Too much of last season can be explained away and its why I don't get naively carried away like you.
There are too many red flags for both him and the board to be completely backing either of them. Next season and how we push on from here is where we should be judging them.
A decent chunk into next season if I'm still arguing against Tonda is when you can call me crazy (if we're doing well), until then, time will tell.
1.) 14 Jun 2026 08:17:09
Yes Scienza was good this season, but let's not forget we have Robinson coming back from injury. He looked like a real prospect before his injury and another season in the championship we only help in his development. It's not all dome and gloom there are some real reasons to be positive, after all we are supposed to be supporters of the club.
2.) 14 Jun 2026 15:49:53
Robinson's ok and has flashes of brilliance, but nowhere near the consistency and talents of Scienza at the moment.
Meaning if Scienza goes, which I definitely think he will, we lose that as Robinson isn't currently at the same level.
Irs not doom and gloom in spreading I'm just giving realistic insights into the 'prowess' behind Tonda.
There have been many variables and things that can be explained away.
It's about maintaining/replacing/replicating or improving upon those variables of Tonda is the man people think he is.
As I've mentioned I'm not convinced he is but we will see going forward.
Scienza, Jander, Shea and Stewart (already gone) are key to what we achieved last season and it doesn't look like they will be here next season.
3.) 14 Jun 2026 16:51:24
Well I'm a glass half full. We still have all of the above minus Stewart. Robinson could prove to be better than Scienza. We still have the same people in place that brought in the above players and Fernandes previously so trust they can do it again.
Sure they made some mistakes but so does every club. I don't know why you brought Tonda up I never mentioned him.
4.) 15 Jun 2026 17:25:09
The fact you will have popcorn ready in response to any Saints Demise, will surely fuel speculation you are a skate or / and disloyal.
I couldn't care less,
Another FACT of course, is what Tonda did do was improve on the 12 points in 13 games that WS managed.
5.) 16 Jun 2026 17:05:31
Damn right I wouldn't sack Tonda, every single club in the top 4 divisions cheats in one way or another. You have zero clue as to the level some players, coaches and managers will go to win and your indignant righteousness doesn't mean a single thing to someone who wants to win. How do you even watch a game with players diving, grabbing and feigning injury, there must be toys everywhere.
The fact Peretz, Larin and Bree have all signed so quickly with glowing praise for Tonda speaks volumes and that's enough for me.
Stewart, well I think he's a bit shortsighted, his career would possibly be over if it wasn't for our back room staff and Tonda nursing him trough the season. He can't even play 90 mins and definitely not twice in a week, put Stewart and Larins stats together and you have a monster. But Stewart wherever he goes will break down as soon as he starts playing 90 mins, he's the loser in this. Bad agent.
Anyway, do try to enjoy the season or not.
6.) 17 Jun 2026 10:57:30
Well said Hugh. All teams cheat in some way or shall we call it bending the rules?
Stewart had to be salary and fitness, wonder if we offered an appearance based 12 month extension?
We need 2 more centre forwards, one at the end of his career and one raw youngster. A experienced number 10 to alternate with Azaz and replacements for whoever leaves.
7.) 17 Jun 2026 22:13:08
Hugh you're talking about something completely different.
That type of cheating, whilst infuriating, goes on in full view.
Whilst big money teams such as Man city who break financial rules will always get away with it, because they will always just throw more money at it.
Money talks. Don't like Man city cheating, maybe don't buy products that supports the Arab Emirates.
Ours was a blatant attempt to know things about the match we were going into.
I'm not sure how you don't see it. I don't really care about the actual doing if it, more of going forward and wether Tonda can perform without it, that's been my point all along.
That you've been praising a guy that you don't know for sure how much he relied upon cheating and now that he can't, will he have the team playing the same.
Scienza, Stewart, Che, Jander all gone too (You'll see) so for me I can't see it being the same
8.) 18 Jun 2026 09:00:15
Get over it and stop using examples of players that at any time would be looked at as being sold for big money. They're good players, if they leave it'll be because of above market valuations and it won't be sideways moves.
When players do sideways moves just to get out, that's a problem.
And Stewart is obviously under the illusion that nobody knows he's 100% injury prone and he's fucked if he gets injured at the World Cup. His agents advice has been very poor.
You just want to create problems and if I had to guess, I'd actually think you're "press" looking for a story or creating a story.
9.) 18 Jun 2026 23:42:12
No, I'm a realist.
Like I've said a few times, a lot of you have blinders on. You're excited Tonda is staying because you think we're going to repeat what we did this season i.e. carry on where we left off.
All I've been doing his highlighting the variables that aren't going to be present next season.
Instead of acknowledging them, you just assume it will all be the same, which means you're also going to piss and moan when things don't go that way ??
10.) 19 Jun 2026 22:10:05
So Leslee if watching the opponent train is cheating, why is it allowed in every league in the world. except the EFL
the EPL signed a deal for television rights allowing open viewing of training sessions, mic'ed up players/coaches, plus real time watching of the dressing rooms
Your obsession with the fact Tonda relies heavily on 'cheating' is just beyond understanding.
Please let's have a sensible answer. not your world looking out from a hole. talk about tunnel vision.
Scouting is prevalent throughout the world. so for instance if Pep declared he has every opponent watched. would you say. 'there you go, that's the reason for his success'.
Just enjoy the way players, fans and owners are getting on board.
We are bored with your drivel, it has no sensible foundation other than obsession with ideas bordering on insanity!
02 Jun 2026 12:57:02
Looks like the radio silence is being lifted.
Dragan and Tonda interviews available on Saints website.
Looks like club is doubling down and going with Tonda, providing the FA doesn't ban.
I'm more intrigued than ever to see how next season pans out now.
Talk is one thing,
Let's not forget the board who want Tonda to remain are the same board who hired Nathan Jones, Russell Martin, Ivan Juric ect
1.) 03 Jun 2026 02:09:27
Is this nonsense going to make it difficult to sign quality players, not to mention retaining the players we want to keep?
23 May 2026 16:10:46
Efl released the details of the hearing.
I posted the link and bullet points of it.
It's on the Southampton Rumours section.
22 May 2026 21:59:09
You're coming around to my soft side Saintsggg so I'm willing to bury the hatchet ?☕?
One last dig though if I may,
I hate (love) to be that guy but with more info coming out each day, it is looking more and more like Tonda's is the sole instigator and orchestrator of this whole thing. Alas, I called it ? (ok, I'm done)
Messages from him to his interns/staff asking them directly what he wanted gained from them from their spying trips and the testimonials of the interns being unwilling/forced into doing it. That's pretty harsh on young people trying to make their way in the game. It's one thing for Tonda to say "he didn't know" but it's entirely different if your forcing people to do something. That states that they're telling Tonda what he's doing is frowned upon/illegal and he's doing it anyway. Fully aware.
I mean if you look at that picture of William Salt by the tree, he's not exactly 007 or looks to have any clue about how to get away with it or conduct himself, he brought a coffee with his own bank card from the golf course next to it. Literally school boy naivety.
I did initially think Tonda was on the spectrum too, the way he is in interviews. Yet that same demeanor can be attributed to someone who clearly knows he's operating in dark and shady ways.
Diving into his past he's largely an analyst and it's completely plausible that this spying behavior of his, is the thing that has propelled his tactical analysis side and elevated his status in football without anyone around him knowing.
I know I bang on about Will Still but one of the main reasons I came onto this sight was to give a balanced voice to the continual sacking of managers, simply for not putting points on the board. Everyone always says football is a points game, but to me it isn't and we've clearly showed that - by sacking managers (Ralph/Still) that would have ultimately got this club into a better standing (my view) had the fans not turned on them. I've always tried to steer the line of the grass is greener and be careful what you wish for. I was more than happy to spend this season down near the relegation end/mid table as long as it looked like we're were building on what came before. Instead we traded a morally nice/feel good manager for what's looking like an out of his depth/possibly corrupt guy.
Guernseyboy (not sure if you're the same one who's been on here a while) but you need to let the whole fighting this thing go. I'm not necessarily saying what we did truly gave us an advantage, only Tonda would know that. But us accepting it, taking the punishment of playoff expulsion and points deduction is the only light at the end of this tunnel. We've set a a precident now so that hopefully as fans, of all clubs, we can expect nothing like this happens again. Even better for us the scrutiny will be on us, meaning any gains/wins we get going forward will be based on wholesome football.
For me, true change will come with this board leaving. But then, none of us fans our billionaires (unless you guys are holding out on me) ?? meaning we don't get to choose who buys us out and comes in, so any takeover is a roll of the dice. This current board largely wanted us as a platform to push their online gambling ventures, because it seems they definitely don't know much about the football side of things.
I think it's possible fans will start to connect the dots with the board (I'm not saying the board necessarily knew about or had anything to do with the spying) but they're systematic naivety towards everything football has run us deep into the ground. Meaning we might start to see protests and calls for them to be removed, rightly so I say. However I'm just mindful of replacing like for like, or worse.
Is it better the devil you know, I don't know.
1.) 23 May 2026 08:51:29
I'm done with the club and won't be renewing my two season tickets.
This stigma will run for more years than many of us have left. The club is morally bankrupt and a disgrace to our national sport.
Not the players, not the fans, not any of us, but the suits who have failed to take any affirmative action against Tonda and his half wits.
All of us though are tarred with this. How can we hold our heads high as self respecting Saints fans.
As I said before, a snivelling public apology and a proclamation about 'learning lessons' is condescending beyond belief.
Next season will be tortuous, even if we do win a match with the residue of the squad - basically the players no one else want.
For those of you who remain staunchly behind the team ("Southampton til I die") you have my respect and admiration. But for me, the club is mortally wounded and we need a complete reincarnation - as I said, sack them all.
2.) 23 May 2026 14:52:41
I agree wholeheartedly with you Miller. I've supported Saints for over 60 years and had a season ticket for much of that time. I didn't think that I would ever walk away from this club but I can't condone what has happened and I can't understand why nobody has been removed yet ( Tonda).He has let down not just the club, the players, the staff and the fans but the people of Southampton.
3.) 28 May 2026 19:38:12
Hilarious, you two actually think world sport is clean and only the odd cheats abound. Every single sportsman and sports club will take every advantage they can get, some draw lines on some avenues, some draw lines on other avenues.
Cheating is rife at every conceivable level, we got caught doing something that isn't even classed as cheating in the rest of the world. Get over it.
01 Jun 2026 13:45:33
You've still got you're blinders on pal.
All those things you mention can be attributed to spying.
Sure an hours difference, 73 and you're not in trouble.so why didn't Tonda do that ?
He had constant pushback from the people who he was asking to do the spying, to the point he had to bully them into it. That on its own suggests he wanted an advantage. Bullying young interns into damaging their future careers isn't what makes a manager remarkable.
Cheating is only not cheating when the opponents have the same data/advantage you do. We saw this in the Middlesbourgh game. As soon as they found out what we were up to our advantage was blown and they very nearly wiped the floor with us.
It's not 'big clubs' either that want him, I've read the articles as well, it's just mid/low range clubs in Germany where such tactics are less punished. Though I doubt where the advantage would be in employing it in a league where everyone is doing it and that's my point.
We caught other teams off guard, with their pants down. Wether it should be allowed/whether it's ethical is besides the point. The teams we were competing with WEREN'T doing it and it was that factor that gave us the edge in what likely will he found to be the majority of matches under Tonda.
I'm happy for him to stay on, most importantly to watch them blinders slip from your face, because although I want him to be the man, all the points I've made suggest he isn't.
31 May 2026 14:18:35
You truly have blinders on Southants.
I've given valid points and so has this spying stuff to suggest that the way Tonda had us playing last season is not down to his tactical genius.
Now keep up though because what I HAVEN'T said is that Tonda isn't the man.
There has been some mentioning/anger here and other places towards the radio silence from the club regarding Tonda.
I for one am delighted at the silence as for once it might actually seem their taking their time to assess wether Tonda can take us forward, particularly without the aforementioned methods.
You have blinders on because you think if Tonda stays then we just pick up where we left off, we don't.
He first has to get past the hurdle I was referring to all last season, of rebuilding a team with as good quality, if not better, to the one we had this season. Payers are leaving, that's for sure.
Secondly me, nor you nor anyone, except those involved know the extent to which Tonda was reliant on cheating to achieve what he did. This is something that will hopefully come to light during this radio silence from the board and further on, if he stays.
I'm hoping Tonda is the man but you have take the blinders off and face reality.
30 May 2026 14:11:48
No Saintsggg because rangers aren't Man City and Rohl isn't Pep.
Rangers literally hired the man who helped relegate us and who you all said was completely useless, in case you need any context of their football standing.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be a challenge but Rohl has history with us/ he knows the club/area and the quality of Scottish football isn't any different to the championship.
Rohl is on the way to being a top manager, it won't be long before the big time comes for him. We have a small window and vague chance of getting him before then, if we go all out.
IF the Tonda thing doesn't resolve itself.
25 May 2026 19:21:31
Hence my phrasing "aggressively" go after him.
16 May 2026 12:29:33
I suppose it would rely on wether we spied on anyone on our run to the final, apparently there are reports we did for fulham.
18 Jun 2026 23:42:12
No, I'm a realist.
Like I've said a few times, a lot of you have blinders on. You're excited Tonda is staying because you think we're going to repeat what we did this season i.e. carry on where we left off.
All I've been doing his highlighting the variables that aren't going to be present next season.
Instead of acknowledging them, you just assume it will all be the same, which means you're also going to piss and moan when things don't go that way ??
17 Jun 2026 22:13:08
Hugh you're talking about something completely different.
That type of cheating, whilst infuriating, goes on in full view.
Whilst big money teams such as Man city who break financial rules will always get away with it, because they will always just throw more money at it.
Money talks. Don't like Man city cheating, maybe don't buy products that supports the Arab Emirates.
Ours was a blatant attempt to know things about the match we were going into.
I'm not sure how you don't see it. I don't really care about the actual doing if it, more of going forward and wether Tonda can perform without it, that's been my point all along.
That you've been praising a guy that you don't know for sure how much he relied upon cheating and now that he can't, will he have the team playing the same.
Scienza, Stewart, Che, Jander all gone too (You'll see) so for me I can't see it being the same
14 Jun 2026 15:49:53
Robinson's ok and has flashes of brilliance, but nowhere near the consistency and talents of Scienza at the moment.
Meaning if Scienza goes, which I definitely think he will, we lose that as Robinson isn't currently at the same level.
Irs not doom and gloom in spreading I'm just giving realistic insights into the 'prowess' behind Tonda.
There have been many variables and things that can be explained away.
It's about maintaining/replacing/replicating or improving upon those variables of Tonda is the man people think he is.
As I've mentioned I'm not convinced he is but we will see going forward.
Scienza, Jander, Shea and Stewart (already gone) are key to what we achieved last season and it doesn't look like they will be here next season.
05 Jun 2026 12:45:59
Southhants/Hugh,
You boys are digging yourselves a hole.
You're naively presuming performances are going to just carry on when we left off.
Before the whole spying thing I mentioned the team needs to remain/rebuild/get better going into the new season.
Pererts has just signed so that's a massive step in the right direction, granted, I'll give you that.
But Ross Stewart is out of contract, no news on Larin yet (though I think he will sign) but the the other key signings are Scienza and Jander.
I think Jander will go and Scienza 100%. We failed to put on any display under Tonda when Scienza wasn't playing. So unless he can replace like for like, immediately there's you're change to performances next season already.
Secondly only Tonda and his team truly no/will let on how much he needed the spying. So now the proofs in the pudding, we will get to see and judge him on his results THIS season.
Which is what I have been saying all along.
04 Jun 2026 20:33:52
Majority of them need some work but the mum one is ???